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Old 14th January 2020, 13:43   #58361  |  Link
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Gemini Man is 60p. Probably means that the 5700 XT isn't powerful enough for tone mapping at 60 fps.

Apart from setting highlight recovery to off, checking the boxes related to HDR in 'trade quality performance' is an option, but at that point you'll probably get better quality with passthrough anyway.
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Old 14th January 2020, 22:57   #58362  |  Link
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Thanks, however I solved by clicking on COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING in TRADE QUALITY FOR PERFORMANCE and in CHROMA UPSCALING I can also leave on NGU SHARP MED
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Old 15th January 2020, 00:33   #58363  |  Link
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Is that trade off worth it? does NGU low allow you to not compromise on this? Or perhaps changing the chroma to Lanczos or bicubic instead? I'd recommend looking at the video to decide what's best for you.
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Old 15th January 2020, 04:22   #58364  |  Link
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I just test Gemini Man with my 5700XT... yeah, Tone Mapping is definitely a no go. I refuse to use any trade quality settings... so pass-through is the best option (for my tastes). I just setup a quick and simple hdr profile and now I am set for the very rare 60 FPS HDR content out there.

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Old 15th January 2020, 08:48   #58365  |  Link
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I just test Gemini Man with my 5700XT... yeah, Tone Mapping is definitely a no go. I refuse to use any trade quality settings... so pass-through is the best option (for my tastes). I just setup a quick and simple hdr profile and now I am set for the very rare 60 FPS HDR content out there.

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I don't agree, I saw the film both in PASSTHROUGH HDR and with Madvr's TONE MAPPING with the addition of a calibration in SDR DCI-P3 and sincerely watching the film with tone mapping is much better .... then with COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING there is only a slight difference in colors that are a little less saturated, so I don't see what the problem is
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Old 15th January 2020, 08:53   #58366  |  Link
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Is that trade off worth it? does NGU low allow you to not compromise on this? Or perhaps changing the chroma to Lanczos or bicubic instead? I'd recommend looking at the video to decide what's best for you.

On a 5700XT the only way to watch GEMINI MAN with Madvr tone mapping is to click on COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING, if it is left disabled, even by lowering the CHROMA UPSCALING to CUBIC, or excluding HIGHLIGHT RECOVERY, the rendering will always be high .... or the other way is to use the PASSTHROUGH HDR
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Old 15th January 2020, 09:07   #58367  |  Link
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Is it with d3d11 native in Lav?
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yes...

and I guess I should also say that I output to a 4k OLED (C8) so I don't "need" the tonemapping as much. It's easy for us with HDR displays to forget most users don't have this and need to tonemap to SDR or very low nits.

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Based on feedback that how amazing madVR tone mapping is, I've chosen a Non-HDR display at a very good price.
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Old 15th January 2020, 17:02   #58371  |  Link
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I noticed something little strange today, using NGU AA low for chroma, and image doubling with NGU Sharp medium, the render queue stays most of the time 7-8/8, but sometimes it shows 6-7/8. I'm using 3440x1440p display, the card is gtx 1050 ti. Rendering times are ~ 21 ms.

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Old 15th January 2020, 18:22   #58372  |  Link
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this can be ignored.
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As long as you don't actually get any dropped frames, fluctuations in the queue are just normal operation.
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I don't agree, I saw the film both in PASSTHROUGH HDR and with Madvr's TONE MAPPING with the addition of a calibration in SDR DCI-P3 and sincerely watching the film with tone mapping is much better .... then with COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING there is only a slight difference in colors that are a little less saturated, so I don't see what the problem is

Hi, There is a bug for all 5700 users at the moment, AMD HDR API is broken and not sendin BT2020 colour space to HDR tv's, this is likely why you are seeing unsaturated colours?

Turn on windows HDR, then Switch to passthrough and untick meta data in MADVR and have another look, can you report back what your see.

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after 7 years of excellent work my intel 2700k is finally going out to pasture (ebay) - i'm upgrading to a ryzen 5 3600, however i'm sure i've heard some issues about ryzen and video output / madvr etc, anyone know of any issues I need to be wary of with MADVR?
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Hi, There is a bug for all 5700 users at the moment, AMD HDR API is broken and not sendin BT2020 colour space to HDR tv's, this is likely why you are seeing unsaturated colours?

Turn on windows HDR, then Switch to passthrough and untick meta data in MADVR and have another look, can you report back what your see.

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the slightly unsaturated colors are due to the COMPROMISE ON HDR TONE & GAMUT MAPPING function, which I repeat is forced to click to take advantage of the madvr tone mapping at 60hz .... with the PASSTHROUGH HDR I do not need to click on COMPROMISE ON HDR ... . for 60hz and the colors are correct, even using the Windows API.
The only difference I found between the AMD and the Windows API is that the latter is brighter .... but I always use Madvr tone mapping for 23.976 and 24hz, the vision is better with the addition also of a calibration in SDR DCI-P3

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Old 16th January 2020, 16:22   #58377  |  Link
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the trade for quality option has no effect on path through.
the point of path through it that the image is not touched and you get different results depending on the API which shows there is clearly an issue.
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after 7 years of excellent work my intel 2700k is finally going out to pasture (ebay) - i'm upgrading to a ryzen 5 3600, however i'm sure i've heard some issues about ryzen and video output / madvr etc, anyone know of any issues I need to be wary of with MADVR?
Don't know if they are that similar, but I have no issues using Ryzen 7 3700x, obviously with a discrete GPU.
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why should a CPU create issues with video output?
that's not how it works.
it's not effect the video driver in any way it is not effecting the video output in any way.
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I just thought I'd read somewhere there was an issue, glad to be wrong.
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