Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion.

Before you start posting please read the forum rules. By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules.

 

Go Back   Doom9's Forum > Hardware & Software > Software players

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Yesterday, 02:04   #60901  |  Link
chros
Registered User
 
chros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,870
I only use NGU sharp (for chroma as well) with everything, I don't see the point of AA. Compare the 2, see the link in my signature
__________________
Ryzen 5 2600,Asus Prime b450-Plus,16GB,MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB(v398.18),Win10 LTSC 1809,MPC-BEx64+LAV+MadVR,Yamaha RX-A870,LG OLED65B8(2160p@23/24/25/29/30/50/59/60Hz) | madvr config
chros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 02:25   #60902  |  Link
VBB
Registered User
 
VBB's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 441
I find that when upscaling DVDs or lower res stuff in general, it can help quite a bit to add some grain. Otherwise some stuff can look highly artificial. I also prefer AA to sharp in this case, for the same reason.
__________________
Henry

LG OLED65C7P | Denon AVR-X3500H | ELAC Uni-Fi x7 | ELAC Debut 2.0 SUB3030 x2
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 | LAV Filters | madVR | MPC-HC | Plex | X-Rite i1Display Pro | DisplayCAL | HCFR
VBB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 03:17   #60903  |  Link
70MM
X Cinema Projectionist NZ
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Auckland NZ
Posts: 295
And you guys that use NGU AA for DVD dont mind not being able to use x4 upscaling as you can with the other NGU settings? Do you think x4 upscaling is work it to help impove things or just sounds like its better?
70MM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 08:47   #60904  |  Link
huhn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 6,737
4x is supposed to be faster not really better.

not sure why NGU sharp is even considered for chroma or a DVD. for NGU to work best you need an relative error free and sharp image both are not really given on a DVD or chroma.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HillieSan View Post
How does the RX 5700 XT perform with madvr? Can you use NGU very high settings?

I run a RX 480 at NGU high and I am considering the RX 5700 XT. Any advice?
why would you consider a 5700 xt now. they are so over priced compared to a 3060 ti or the upcomming 6700.
huhn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 09:01   #60905  |  Link
oldpainlesskodi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 333
@HillieSan - given the current landscape, Huhn makes a valid point.

As far as the 5700xt is concerned, it does what I want it to do.
__________________
Sapphire RX 5700 XT (20.q3.1) Ryzen 7 3700x, PRIME X570-Pro, Win 10 x64 (2004), Silverstone LC13B-E, Onkyo TX-RZ800, LG OLED55BX6LB, Mission M35i speakers, Kodi Dsplayer 17.6 X64
oldpainlesskodi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 09:28   #60906  |  Link
QBhd
QB the Slayer
 
QBhd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 603
Yeah I love my 5700 XT... but it is still almost the same price as I paid a year ago... so unless you are getting a great deal on the used market, it makes no sense to buy one now.

QB
__________________
QBhd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 09:48   #60907  |  Link
Asmodian
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 4,058
Quote:
Originally Posted by 70MM View Post
Do you think x4 upscaling is work it to help impove things or just sounds like its better?
I agree with huhn. x4 is faster but x2 twice is higher quality. I always use x2 twice for quadrupling even for NGU Sharp, it is noticeably better than x4.

It can get complicated trying to find the optimal options if you are performance limited, comparing x4 at a higher quality to x2x2 at lower qualities.
__________________
madVR options explained
Asmodian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 10:08   #60908  |  Link
HillieSan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 134
Quote:
Originally Posted by huhn View Post
why would you consider a 5700 xt now. they are so over priced compared to a 3060 ti or the upcomming 6700.
I am asking because I expect that the prices of the 5700 xt will be dropping. A 3060 is at least €100 more then the 5700 xt. The 5700 xt already drops under the €400. For me around €450 for a graphics card is more than enough for HT.

Last edited by HillieSan; Yesterday at 10:12.
HillieSan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 10:19   #60909  |  Link
HillieSan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 134
I am looking at the 5700 xt and the 3060 ti. Is the 3060 ti a much better choice then the 5700 xt for madvr? Is it worth it to pay €100 more? I am not playing games.

5700 xt MSI MECH OC 8G is €399
5700 xt ASRock Challenger 8G is €379.90
3060 ti GIGABYTE Gaming OC 8G is €499.

EDIT: I have found a few more 3060 ti cards within my budget.

It looks like the price difference between 5700 xt and 3060 ti is less €50-€100. Interesting. Of course the GPU clock determines the price at well.

What I like about AMD cards is the right refresh rate for HT out of the box. With NVIDIA I had to tweak the refresh rate in the past. Is this still the case?

Last edited by HillieSan; Yesterday at 10:36.
HillieSan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 13:52   #60910  |  Link
aufkrawall
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,754
Ampere has lots of FLOPS, this could/should be helpful for pure shader workloads like madVR. Navi 10 die size also is also not much bigger than Polaris 10, but it consumes more power under high load. Thus I expect that you need a bigger heatsink to get a comparable level of temperatures and noise vs. the 3060 Ti.
While my 5700 XT MSI Gaming is hardly audible after some tweaking, its typical price is rather unattractive vs. the 3060 Ti (let's pretend shops were stocked and the whole market wasn't broken).
aufkrawall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 14:13   #60911  |  Link
huhn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 6,737
the msrp is 400 for the 3060 ti and i'm even seeing them from time to time for that price and it massively faster than a 5700 xt this is not a comparison is a slaughter.

and yes 5700 XT could fall in price in a couple of months or get extreme expensive because they will soon not be produced anymore there is simple no point.

AMD has to follow up with a card in the same price range too.
the msrp for AMD card is at best a lie which is very disappointing.
a even cheaper 3060 will be available "soon" too which should still be faster than a 5700 XT.
huhn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 14:38   #60912  |  Link
HillieSan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 134
The RX 480 gets really hot. The fans turn on most of the time and sound like a turbo engine. It's annoying and it has become a problem since I have moved the HTPC closer.

The other problem with the RX 480 is that if the TV and projector are switched on in an incorrect sequence then it takes the card lost of time to switch hdmi and display port. Sometimes it fails and I need to reboot the system.

The RX 480 and madvr with NGU sharp high looks fine. But I think the image on the projector could be better in very high mode and with additional tweaks settings. The RX 480 has no room to experiment. For example I want to experiment with smooth motion on a higher frame rate on the projector. I have used Bluesky Frame Rate Converter in the past and it was amazing. The panning at 60 Hz is so much better than on 24Hz.

The 3060 ti are out of stock. I guess I have to wait until next year.
HillieSan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 14:53   #60913  |  Link
HillieSan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 134
I have a GTX 1080 in another PC. Is it worth to use this card or should I wait to replace the RC 480 with a GTX 3060 ti in the HTPC?
HillieSan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 21:28   #60914  |  Link
tp4tissue
Registered User
 
tp4tissue's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 614
All we know is Madshi currently only has the time for Nvidia.

Nvidia is the only option going forward. But don't buy a top tier card Today, it won't really do anything.

1060 6gb for ultrabudget, next up is 1080Ti, Skip the 2xxx series all together, if you play vidya, 3080.

And this might be an unpopular opinion, but NGU is NOT Madvr's most useful feature, even though it consumes the most Processing power..
__________________
Ghetto | 2500k 5Ghz

Last edited by tp4tissue; Yesterday at 21:31.
tp4tissue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 22:50   #60915  |  Link
chros
Registered User
 
chros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,870
Let me guess what that is: 3dlut?!
__________________
Ryzen 5 2600,Asus Prime b450-Plus,16GB,MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB(v398.18),Win10 LTSC 1809,MPC-BEx64+LAV+MadVR,Yamaha RX-A870,LG OLED65B8(2160p@23/24/25/29/30/50/59/60Hz) | madvr config
chros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Today, 01:01   #60916  |  Link
HillieSan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 134
What about the GTX 1080 (not Ti)? Will that be a step up? I am asking, because I don't want to disassemble my PCs whereas it may be better to wait for a GTX 3060 Ti.
HillieSan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Today, 01:38   #60917  |  Link
ryrynz
Registered User
 
ryrynz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,381
1080 is great, a good step up. 3060ti would be even better and nice for AV1 decoding. I recommend moving the 1080 across it has enough chops for most of the high quality options.
ryrynz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 15:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.