madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[Klaus1189]

upload to external filehoster like google drive, we cannot download it

[Morgin187]

you were right about the overscan thing losing all side of the image. hope theres a fix soon. another question does full chroma matter when watching movies or tv shows. or is mainly for web browsing using apps?

[PurpleMan]

I'm currently running a Geforce GTX 1050 w/ 2gb of GDDR5 on my HTPC. Plays everything just fine (incl. NGU resize and 4K HDR).

I have an opportunity to upgrade it dirt cheap to a GTX 1650 w/ 4 gb of GDDR5. Would that be an upgrade (as it relates to madvr)? Is that card more powerful than the 1050?


Thanks

[huhn]

the 1650 is about 50% faster then an 1050 and it is generally a bad card for the money a 1650 S is more then 2x faster then a 1050.

[PurpleMan]

Thanks. No idea how I overlooked that, especially considering the 1650 Super is only $10 more than the non-super.

Order placed.

Thanks!

[huhn]

the existent of the 1650 is indeed very questionable.
the availability of the 1650 S is still bad it may even get cheaper.

waiting a month or more for 10-20 euros is not worth it in my eyes.

edit: can you do some basic performance test with the card when you get it some people ask about the madVR performance of this card and only someone owning it should show how good it is.

[WuNgUn]

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

And you must decide between the two things:
A) You use refresh rate change with 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60
OR
B) You enable smooth motion of madvr and stick with 60 Hz

Try both and stay what you like best, and of course diable all smooth motion interpolation crap of your TV, regardless of the manufacturer.

Samsung's do a really nice job with judder reduction and smooth motion...
I wouldn't waste the GPU/CPU cycles on MadVR for this... Instead, improve image quality.
But like you said, it's a personal choice.

[Klaus1189]

Originally Posted by Morgin187

you were right about the overscan thing losing all side of the image. hope theres a fix soon. another question does full chroma matter when watching movies or tv shows. or is mainly for web browsing using apps?

About 99% of all available videos are 4:2:0, so not a real issue for average user, but if you use madVR for chroma upsampling you have to use pc mode for 4:4:4, so you can actually see the upscaling, otherwise the TV will interpret the signal as 4:2:0 and the upscaling "is for the ass"

And if you use the TV as computer monitor you also want 4:4:4 (RGB is equivalent because it is always full chroma reolution) to have sharp picture.
More info about 4:4:4 full color resolution:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling
https://www.rtings.com/images/test-m...chroma-444.png

http://madshi.net/madVR/ChromaRes.png

Here you must see the blue and red pixels, only around it is magenta
Note: Of course all pictures must be scaled 1:1 on the screen
I made a zoomed in screenshot, so for users who are new to this can see the actual difference:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kmn...ew?usp=sharing

Originally Posted by WuNgUn

Samsung's do a really nice job with judder reduction and smooth motion...
I wouldn't waste the GPU/CPU cycles on MadVR for this... Instead, improve image quality.
But like you said, it's a personal choice.

You are right, but I can not recommend Samsungs smooth motion in madVR thread

[Morgin187]

Sorry if I’m asking too many questions but you’re helping a lot. Problem now is I choose pc mode and it gives me the two option dynamic and standard with other options greyed out on the tv so I know I’m in pc mode. But as soon as the file starts to play on madvr I’m back to normal mode being able to select movie standard vivid on tv telling me I’m not in pc mode anymore. This happens full screen and windowed playback.

Also the chroma test am I looking for blue and purple outside the numbers and solid colours inside. Or blue purple inside 422 or inside 444 or inside both. I’m doing the test in full screen 1.1 scaling. Also does this test matter in hdr

Also any settings to concentrate my GPUs power to eliminate colour banding and black crush

Thanks so much btw for help given

[WuNgUn]

You WANT to use PC mode for playing media??

[Morgin187]

Yeh I want to get as much colour and detail from my tv as possible. 444 makes a big difference looking at these images on this forum

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/how-i...o-you.1308591/

[WuNgUn]

Originally Posted by Morgin187

Yeh I want to get as much colour and detail from my tv as possible. 444 makes a big difference looking at these images on this forum

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/how-i...o-you.1308591/

Whatever display settings game mode gives you, should be available in other TV modes... It could be other reasons some settings are greyed out.
For example, a LOT of settings on my Samsung TV aren't available at 60Hz refresh. Once I used MadVR to match the refresh rate of the content (23.97Hz), the all the display settings became available.
Another reason my I recommended using the TV's processing for judder and smooth motion...

[Klaus1189]

Originally Posted by Morgin187

..::too long for quoting::..

What Media Player do you use and what GPU? I need that info.

[Morgin187]

Im using madvr with mpc-hc and geforce gtx 1080. when i am able to select pc mode with the player playback everythings dark. ive changed the pc levels 0-255 and 16-235 to help but only makes a very tiny difference. the other hdmi levels are greyed out. pc mode is working during this as the chroma image you gave works like in your image. and the brown fox text is clear with proper scaling.

[Klaus1189]

On PC mode the TV wants to be fed with 0-255. I must admit, that I don't understand the problem you have properly. When the file starts, the pc mode disappears to normal?
For eliminating colour banding go to madVR options -> rendering -> dithering
How does the black crush look? Do you use refresh rate switching?

[Morgin187]

ive solved the problem pc mode disappearing to normal when starting a movie with madvr. the problem now is everything is too dark ive got the tv on hdmi normal setting and 0-255 on madvr

[huhn]

Originally Posted by WuNgUn

Samsung's do a really nice job with judder reduction and smooth motion...
I wouldn't waste the GPU/CPU cycles on MadVR for this... Instead, improve image quality.
But like you said, it's a personal choice.

it barely possibile to measure the processing cost in madVR and they try to achieve something completely different.

Originally Posted by Klaus1189

You are right, but I can not recommend Samsungs smooth motion in madVR thread

just the same name they have nothing todo with each other.

Originally Posted by Morgin187

Sorry if I’m asking too many questions but you’re helping a lot. Problem now is I choose pc mode and it gives me the two option dynamic and standard with other options greyed out on the tv so I know I’m in pc mode. But as soon as the file starts to play on madvr I’m back to normal mode being able to select movie standard vivid on tv telling me I’m not in pc mode anymore. This happens full screen and windowed playback.

Also the chroma test am I looking for blue and purple outside the numbers and solid colours inside. Or blue purple inside 422 or inside 444 or inside both. I’m doing the test in full screen 1.1 scaling. Also does this test matter in hdr

Also any settings to concentrate my GPUs power to eliminate colour banding and black crush

Thanks so much btw for help given

because Samsung can't usually do PC mode at 23p.
and let me guess if you disable PC mode at 60 hz you still can't use the frame interpoaltion thingy in your TV because it is a 60 hz panel meaning 23p is is a hoax too? with modern Samsung the majority has this issue.

Originally Posted by WuNgUn

You WANT to use PC mode for playing media??

usually the most accurate mode with 4.4:4 support so making it obviously something you want if you care about an accurate image.

Originally Posted by WuNgUn

Whatever display settings game mode gives you, should be available in other TV modes... It could be other reasons some settings are greyed out.
For example, a LOT of settings on my Samsung TV aren't available at 60Hz refresh. Once I used MadVR to match the refresh rate of the content (23.97Hz), the all the display settings became available.
Another reason my I recommended using the TV's processing for judder and smooth motion...

do as you please just sad that most Samsung can't display a 23p file correctly.

Originally Posted by Morgin187

Im using madvr with mpc-hc and geforce gtx 1080. when i am able to select pc mode with the player playback everythings dark. ive changed the pc levels 0-255 and 16-235 to help but only makes a very tiny difference. the other hdmi levels are greyed out. pc mode is working during this as the chroma image you gave works like in your image. and the brown fox text is clear with proper scaling.

try this on a desktop with the GPU at 0-255: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

tell me what you see.

same here:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html

the basic settings -> 1-Black Clipping.mp4
again tell me what you see all with the GPU at 0-255.

Originally Posted by Morgin187

ive solved the problem pc mode disappearing to normal when starting a movie with madvr. the problem now is everything is too dark ive got the tv on hdmi normal setting and 0-255 on madvr

pretty sure normal is wrong with a GPU at 0-255. but they use what ever names they want with these option i guess "deep" was full range for Samsung.

[Klaus1189]

Well, looks I am not needed anymore, with my Samsung which can't do 23p ...

[huhn]

just check it: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung

[WuNgUn]

@Huhn
From what I know of Samsung TV's, running in game mode makes concession to image quality and motion backlighting for the sake of low latency.
I would recommend against it

Edit: my bad....misunderstood PC colours and game mode on the TV. Obviously not the same thing!