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[chudm]

hey jdobbs did u checked the issues on the menu when a full backup to bd25 were performed on some concert blurays? (like foo fighters, elton john)

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by chudm

hey jdobbs did u checked the issues on the menu when a full backup to bd25 were performed on some concert blurays? (like foo fighters, elton john)

I think I've fixed that too. But I won't know for sure until someone tries it on the next release.

[Giddeon]

Hi.

I just thought I'd post to let you know I'm having trouble with the second X-Files Movie. I'm doing full disc backup to BD25 and this is the error I'm getting...

[03:34:11] BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta)
- Source: X_FILES_2_F1
- Input BD size: 42.52 GB
- Approximate total content: [04:30:26.751]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 5.2 [3790]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[03:34:13] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [03:34:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [03:34:29] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 35)
- [03:34:29] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
- [03:35:02] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 4,014 frames
- Bitrate: 8,476 Kbs
- [03:35:02] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [03:38:29] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [03:51:08] Video Encode complete
- [03:51:08] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [03:51:26] Multiplexing M2TS
- [03:51:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\RIPPEDBLURAYS\XFILES2\X_FILES_2_F1\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\RIPPEDBLURAYS\XFILES2\X_FILES_2_F1\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts
[03:51:43] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted



This is same for versions 0.29.05, 0.30.02 and 0.30.04 and its a UK version of the disc. Has anyone else had this same problem with this film? Is this something you need to know to help improve your BD Rebuilder?

If you need any more info then please let me know

[chudm]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I think I've fixed that too. But I won't know for sure until someone tries it on the next release.

thx man as soon as you post it ill try it!

[DK]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

I think I've fixed that too. But I won't know for sure until someone tries it on the next release.

looking forward to do so as i have one concert bd as well, which bd-rb cannot handle until now

[tekmobile]

Originally Posted by chudm

hey jdobbs did u checked the issues on the menu when a full backup to bd25 were performed on some concert blurays? (like foo fighters, elton john)

I did the foo fighters without problems but had to increase the min_m2ts to not encode the menu

[CATWILDUK]

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[12:19:22] BD Rebuilder v0.30.04 (beta)
- Source: GHOST_RIDER
- Input BD size: 42.39 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:31:02.366]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 6.0 [6002]
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[12:19:22] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [12:19:22] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00069]
- [12:19:24] Reencoding: VID_00069 (1 of 7)
- [12:19:40] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00091]
- [12:19:50] Reencoding: VID_00091 (2 of 7)
- [12:20:52] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00092]
- [12:21:08] Reencoding: VID_00092 (3 of 7)
- [12:22:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00090]
- [12:23:48] Reencoding: VID_00090 (4 of 7)
- [12:38:45] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00070]
- [12:41:14] Reencoding: VID_00070 (5 of 7)
- [13:01:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00089]
- [13:03:36] Reencoding: VID_00089 (6 of 7)
- [13:21:38] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00066]
- [13:39:13] Reencoding: VID_00066 (7 of 7)
[14:31:58]PHASE ONE complete
[14:31:58]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [14:31:58] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[14:32:15] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[14:32:15]JOB: GHOST_RIDER finished.



ENCODER SETTINGS--IDLE PRIORITY
HIGHT SPEED OPTION BD-25


OPTIONS--TARGET SIZE BD-25


SETUP--AUDIO ENGLISH ((ONLY))

SUBS - NONE


ONLY GOT TICKED BELOW SETTINGS..!!!

DO NOT CONVERT DTS TO AC3
DO NOT REENCODE TO AC3
KEEP HD AUDIO FOR BD 25 ENCODE
LIMIT TO ONE TRACK FOR EACH LAUNGAGE

HOPE THIS HELPS SOME PEOPL..!!!!E

TO CONVERT THE 42.39 GIG
TO BD 25 DISK

[CATWILDUK]

- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=1 Kbs=640

please can some one point out the audio settings above i.e the 0 or the 1

is it better to keep these settings..???
all as 1`S TO KEEP AC3 DTS AND HD AUDIO..???

[deank]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

AVCHD issue, not DVD media issue. AVCHD may not support PiP.

Yep, AVCHD certainly does not support PIP (at least it is not a requirement for the standard).

[Race Guy]

Originally Posted by tekmobile

I did the foo fighters without problems but had to increase the min_m2ts to not encode the menu

chudm......., This is what you need to do on Elton 60 also.

I believe the min_m2ts setting needs to be 600MB, maybe 800?? I forget.

The issue is, tsMuxeR can't handle the IGStream, so it gets "lost" if you process the menu VIDS. Changing that min_m2ts setting, tells BD-RB to skip those VIDS.

Try it, you'll like it!

[chudm]

Originally Posted by Race Guy

chudm......., This is what you need to do on Elton 60 also.

I believe the min_m2ts setting needs to be 600MB, maybe 800?? I forget.

The issue is, tsMuxeR can't handle the IGStream, so it gets "lost" if you process the menu VIDS. Changing that min_m2ts setting, tells BD-RB to skip those VIDS.

Try it, you'll like it!

thx will do that

[old-hack]

Originally Posted by hudsucker

Thanks, but changing the settings in ffdshow did not work for me. Same crash as before. Anyway, I´ll have a try with the next version.

By chance do you have multiAVCHD installed? This happened to me after I installed multiAVCHD and went away after I removed it. The audio sync problem made me look at what had changed since the last time I used BD-rebuilder.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Giddeon

Hi.

I just thought I'd post to let you know I'm having trouble with the second X-Files Movie. I'm doing full disc backup to BD25 and this is the error I'm getting...

[03:34:11] BD Rebuilder v0.29.05 (beta)
- Source: X_FILES_2_F1
- Input BD size: 42.52 GB
- Approximate total content: [04:30:26.751]
- Target BD size: 22.46 GB
- Windows Version: 5.2 [3790]
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=640
[03:34:13] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [03:34:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00001]
- [03:34:29] Reencoding: VID_00001 (1 of 35)
- [03:34:29] Reencoding secondary video [TRK_02]
- [03:35:02] Collecting video information
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps, 4,014 frames
- Bitrate: 8,476 Kbs
- [03:35:02] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 1 of 2
- [03:38:29] Reencoding: VID_00001, Pass 2 of 2
- [03:51:08] Video Encode complete
- [03:51:08] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [03:51:26] Multiplexing M2TS
- [03:51:35] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\RIPPEDBLURAYS\XFILES2\X_FILES_2_F1\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts
- Error in attempt to extract audio/subs.
- Reading buffer overflow. Possible container streams are not syncronized. Please, verify stream fps. File name: H:\RIPPEDBLURAYS\XFILES2\X_FILES_2_F1\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts
[03:51:43] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted



This is same for versions 0.29.05, 0.30.02 and 0.30.04 and its a UK version of the disc. Has anyone else had this same problem with this film? Is this something you need to know to help improve your BD Rebuilder?

If you need any more info then please let me know

That's usually an indicator of a bad rip...

[PurpleMan]

@jdobbs:

I think I found some more MPLS bugs.

I did 3 movies this weekend: The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, and Wanted. All of which are REGION B universal studios releases that has PiP, which I ripped to BD25 full backup (*without* the PiP). All of them suffered from the same problem - played in PowerDVD9, In the main menu if you click on Play Movie, the playback hangs.

Searching this thread I found posts of people reporting similar issues with similar discs in the past. As I've stated in previous bug reports, we could just say "it's a pdvd bug", but I don't think so (original discs play fine). I once again suspected the MPLS, so I tried swapping the BD-RB one with the original (just to see if it won't hang, didn't actually expect a proper playback) - and voila, it didn't hang.

So I concluded that there's something in the BD-RB MPLS file that PowerDVD does not like/expect. I started digging in BDEdit, comparing the original MPLS with the BD-RB one, and here are my findings (all of which you can see for yourself in the screenshots I've attached):

1) On both the original disc and the BD-RB output there are substreams in the MPLS that are flagged as SubPath subtitles instead of regular PlayItem. On the original disc, however, the SPID's of those streams are mapped correctly to actual subpath items. On BD-RB's output they are mapped to NON-EXISTING subpath items (see images).

2) The actual subpath items (which are the textsubs) have their IN/OUT times untouched in the backup, even tho they should have been updated to match the new in-time of the main video (10 mins). I could be wrong here, look in the image.

3) Even after fixing the IN/OUT times and the substreams SPID's (hex-editted), the disc would STILL not play, which makes me believe there is an additional problem with that MPLS that I still haven't figured out (even so, the abovementioned problems should still be addressed, I think). I attached the original MPLS and the BD-RB MPLS as well, so you can see if you spot anything that's doesn't look right.

I hope this helps,
-PurpleMan

[chudm]

Originally Posted by PurpleMan

@jdobbs:

I think I found some more MPLS bugs.

I did 3 movies this weekend: The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, and Wanted. All of which are REGION B universal studios releases that has PiP, which I ripped to BD25 full backup (*without* the PiP). All of them suffered from the same problem - played in PowerDVD9, In the main menu if you click on Play Movie, the playback hangs.

Searching this thread I found posts of people reporting similar issues with similar discs in the past. As I've stated in previous bug reports, we could just say "it's a pdvd bug", but I don't think so (original discs play fine). I once again suspected the MPLS, so I tried swapping the BD-RB one with the original (just to see if it won't hang, didn't actually expect a proper playback) - and voila, it didn't hang.

So I concluded that there's something in the BD-RB MPLS file that PowerDVD does not like/expect. I started digging in BDEdit, comparing the original MPLS with the BD-RB one, and here are my findings (all of which you can see for yourself in the screenshots I've attached):

1) On both the original disc and the BD-RB output there are substreams in the MPLS that are flagged as SubPath subtitles instead of regular PlayItem. On the original disc, however, the SPID's of those streams are mapped correctly to actual subpath items. On BD-RB's output they are mapped to NON-EXISTING subpath items (see images).

2) The actual subpath items (which are the textsubs) have their IN/OUT times untouched in the backup, even tho they should have been updated to match the new in-time of the main video (10 mins). I could be wrong here, look in the image.

3) Even after fixing the IN/OUT times and the substreams SPID's (hex-editted), the disc would STILL not play, which makes me believe there is an additional problem with that MPLS that I still haven't figured out (even so, the abovementioned problems should still be addressed, I think). I attached the original MPLS and the BD-RB MPLS as well, so you can see if you spot anything that's doesn't look right.

I hope this helps,
-PurpleMan

rememeber to test the discs on players like ps3,or any bluray player (not only pc), cause power dvd has many issue, the only way to see if the disc works properly is playing it on a bluray player not just pc

[PurpleMan]

Originally Posted by chudm

rememeber to test the discs on players like ps3,or any bluray player (not only pc), cause power dvd has many issue, the only way to see if the disc works properly is playing it on a bluray player not just pc

Thanks for the input, although that is completely ignoring the fact that I pointed to several issues in the MPLS files.

The fact that certain players (like ps3 or a certain standalone player) are less restrictive about the disc's compliance and agree to play properly even if something is off-spec does not mean the disc is perfect. The fact that there is a player that refuses to play the disc indicates that it's possible that there's something not quite right with it.

[jangai]

Since few weeks, when i make following tasks, i get always the same error 1605 after end of audio extraction /:http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.ph...1&d=1256410190
just at the end of audio extraction...

Sources : mkv (video H264, audio DTS or AC3 and some srt)
BD construction with tsMuxeR (V1.10.6)
BD Rebuild to BD5 or BD9 with BD-RB in Movie Only mode

Unsuccessful tests have been made with different :
-Sources files
-BD-RB releases

Log:
-----------------------
[21:05:13] BD Rebuilder v0.30.04 (beta)
- Source: MUSIQUE_A_VERSAILLES
- Input BD size: 4,74 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:28:37.645]
- Target BD size: 4,27 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[21:05:13] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:05:13] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [21:14:26] ExtractAudioSubs() 00058 1605
[22:13:26] - Failed to retrieve audio, aborted

Any idea ?

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by PurpleMan

Thanks for the input, although that is completely ignoring the fact that I pointed to several issues in the MPLS files.

The fact that certain players (like ps3 or a certain standalone player) are less restrictive about the disc's compliance and agree to play properly even if something is off-spec does not mean the disc is perfect. The fact that there is a player that refuses to play the disc indicates that it's possible that there's something not quite right with it.

Logically, I tend to agree with you. I use to believe software players like PowerDVD were less finicky, at least when backing up DVD's. However, I made several that played back fine on PowerDVD but not my standalone. But with Blu-Rays, it seems to be the opposite. I have done several full movie backups to BD-25 that PowerDVD would not play, TMT would play, as well as my Sony BDP-BX1.
I know jdobbs has tried a Samsung Blu-Ray player, but returned it because it was not as compatible as the Sony.
As far as making full movie backups, whether BD5/9 or BD-25, compatible with software players, I believe there may be too many strict restrictions placed on them to allow for most of these backups to play. I no longer trust the playback of my backups to be judged by software players alone.
For a successful backup, it would be ideal if it would play back just as the original, on both software players and standalones. That day may come, based on the time and effort we all have seen from jdobbs, especially with the limited Blu-Ray specs available.
For now, I am quite pleased, extremely satisfied, with my results!
And I commend you for trying to help uncover some of the mysteries and bugs that can affect us all.

[PurpleMan]

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

But with Blu-Rays, it seems to be the opposite. I have done several full movie backups to BD-25 that PowerDVD would not play, TMT would play, as well as my Sony BDP-BX1.

Considering that I have yet to see PowerDVD9 fail playback on an original disc (latest version, that is), I think we should not ignore the fact that it fails to play some backups, especially when it's a series of discs that have something in common (in this case, Universal Studios discs of REGION B).

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

I believe there may be too many strict restrictions placed on them to allow for most of these backups to play.

And an on-spec disc should follow all these restrictions. They are there for a reason. Our goal should be to have a backup that matches the original and in accordance with the blu-ray specifications to gain playability on all certified players, not only those that are less restrictive about off-spec materials (even tho it might be most players).

Originally Posted by Capsbackup

And I commend you for trying to help uncover some of the mysteries and bugs that can affect us all.

Thank you. I'm trying to help development as much as possible. That's why I didn't just say "hey, PowerDVD fails so bd-rb is no good", I did my homework and came up with evidence as of why. Hopefully this helps jdobbs catch more bugs and reach that optimal playability level you mentioned.

I see no reason whatsoever to why a certain player should play all original discs but won't play some backups. This means it can obviously tell a difference, for now.

[drmih]

I think that we all have found that Universal discs are always a problem for re-encoding. Either because of the PiP issue (because of the problem with the secondary audio) or the vanishing main audio selection on bd-9 and Sony SAP. I also think something is slightly off but I've never been able to find anything to help jdobbs.