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Old 29th September 2009, 14:10   #5401  |  Link
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jdobbs could you please change non-strict AVCHD movie only on DVD to --avchd? Most players won't play --bluray content on DVD. The only reason according to tsmuxer changelog for --bluray is to allow VC-1 to play on Panasonic players which was probably drjake's issue.

Also with current firmwares of all known players the non-strict AVCHD movie only is fully compatible. However strict AVCHD fails to play in Funai based (Phillips, Insignia, Sylvania, etc.) and Denon players. Strict AVCHD option recent changes are good considering this mode should only be meant for playback in PowerDVD/WinDVD from HDD which only supports AC3/LPCM audio. Maybe you would consider changing the default back to non-strict AVCHD with --avchd as it's the most compliant when output is DVD.

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Old 29th September 2009, 16:11   #5402  |  Link
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I'm currently converting a BD with two DTS audiotracks (one 5.1 DTS-HD, one normal 5.1 DTS, as told by BDInfo 0.52) to AC3.

I've noticed that in both audio AviSynth-files is now (v0.30.01):

audio = (AudioChannels(audio) > 6) ? GetChannel(audio,1,2,3,4,7,8) : audio

compared to older versions:

audio = (AudioChannels(audio) > 6) ? GetChannel(audio,1,2,3,4,5,6) : audio

Is that OK? What happened to Channels 5 and 6 ?
The old way was incorrect. The mapping for 7.1 LPCM (which is what you get as output from NicAudio) is:

L, R, C, LS, cs1, cs2, RS, lfe

For 5.1 LPCM the mapping is:

L, R, C, LS, RS, lfe

So the correct mapping is GetChannel (audio, 1,2,3,4,7,8).

On the DTS tracks you're describing the line has no affect at all. It only makes the conversion if there are more than 6 tracks i.e. "(AudioChannels(audio) > 6)".
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Old 29th September 2009, 16:18   #5403  |  Link
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New Version Solves the Problem
Good, I was hoping it would.
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Old 29th September 2009, 16:19   #5404  |  Link
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Got exactly the same result for Silence of the Lambs Region B PAL on Movie Only run. Sorry I closed it down before I had a chance to copy the Logfile (is this stored anywhere for later retrieval?)
Use the newest version. That error should have been corrected in v0.29.5.

Yes. The logfile is written to the output directory.
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Old 29th September 2009, 16:25   #5405  |  Link
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jdobbs could you please change non-strict AVCHD movie only on DVD to --avchd? Most players won't play --bluray content on DVD. The only reason according to tsmuxer changelog for --bluray is to allow VC-1 to play on Panasonic players which was probably drjake's issue.

Also with current firmwares of all known players the non-strict AVCHD movie only is fully compatible. However strict AVCHD fails to play in Funai based (Phillips, Insignia, Sylvania, etc.) and Denon players. Strict AVCHD option recent changes are good considering this mode should only be meant for playback in PowerDVD/WinDVD from HDD which only supports AC3/LPCM audio. Maybe you would consider changing the default back to non-strict AVCHD with --avchd as it's the most compliant when output is DVD.
Hmmm... I meant for it to work that way -- but I missed it. I planned for movie-only to BD-5/9 to be written as AVCHD. Right now it outputs as "--avchd" only when "Strict" is selected" (which is on by default). I'll fix it and put out a quick release.

Are you positive about the players, even with the new settings? The whole purpose of the new setting was to make it compatible across more players.
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Old 29th September 2009, 16:52   #5406  |  Link
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jdobbs could you please change non-strict AVCHD movie only on DVD to --avchd? Most players won't play --bluray content on DVD. The only reason according to tsmuxer changelog for --bluray is to allow VC-1 to play on Panasonic players which was probably drjake's issue.

Also with current firmwares of all known players the non-strict AVCHD movie only is fully compatible. However strict AVCHD fails to play in Funai based (Phillips, Insignia, Sylvania, etc.) and Denon players. Strict AVCHD option recent changes are good considering this mode should only be meant for playback in PowerDVD/WinDVD from HDD which only supports AC3/LPCM audio. Maybe you would consider changing the default back to non-strict AVCHD with --avchd as it's the most compliant when output is DVD.
I would agree on that. Non-strict movie-only BD9s should probably be --avchd because of compatability reasons.

Although I like the Profile 4.0 encoding *without* slices very much. From what I have read slices only use up bitrate and are not really useful. I know they are needed for 4.1. How bout a checkbox maybe where profiles 4.0/4.1 could be changed? Would that make sense?

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Old 29th September 2009, 17:11   #5407  |  Link
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BD Rebuilder v0.30.02 (beta)

I just updated the first post of this thread with a link to a new release of BD-RB (v0.30.02). Changes for this version:
Code:
- Fixed a bug in which the AUDIO_AMPLIFY hidden INI
  setting was not being read properly.
- Corrected an error in which non-strict movie-only
  output to BD-5/9 was being written as "--blu-ray" 
  rather than "--avchd".  Also made "no slices" and 
  "--level 4.0" restrictions to BD-5/9 movie-only 
  encodes even when "strict" is not selected. Reversed 
  the v0.30.01 change -- "strict AVCHD" is no longer 
  the default. I'm afraid that change may cause too 
  much confusion for people who have found the "sweet 
  spot" for their particular player (especially the 
  removed directories).
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.
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Old 29th September 2009, 20:35   #5408  |  Link
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Code:
- Corrected an error in which non-strict movie-only
  output to BD-5/9 was being written as "--blu-ray" 
  rather than "--avchd".  Also made "no slices" and 
  "--level 4.0" restrictions to BD-5/9 movie-only 
  encodes even when "strict" is not selected. Reversed 
  the v0.30.01 change -- "strict AVCHD" is no longer 
  the default. I'm afraid that change may cause too 
  much confusion for people who have found the "sweet 
  spot" for their particular player (especially the 
  removed directories).
Does this only apply when you select Target size BD-5 and BD-9?
Or does it also apply to custom size that would fit into DL DVD?
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Old 29th September 2009, 20:45   #5409  |  Link
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No, I didn't do any preprocessing.
Files showing the oddness (re-encoded but not resized):
00002.m2ts (Studio intro)
00125.m2ts (Segment of the main feature). In addition, all audio (DTS) and sups were kept and muxed intact for this segment, instead of being selected and re-encoded to ac3 for audio. It is noted that the 00125.m2ts belongs to the playlist for the "extended version". It is not used for the "theatre version".
The problem (no resizing to 720p and no stripping of audio and sups for mentioned segment) still persists with v0.30.02. Any clue as to why this happens?
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Old 29th September 2009, 22:00   #5410  |  Link
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Does this only apply when you select Target size BD-5 and BD-9?
Or does it also apply to custom size that would fit into DL DVD?
Both.
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Old 29th September 2009, 22:01   #5411  |  Link
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The problem (no resizing to 720p and no stripping of audio and sups for mentioned segment) still persists with v0.30.02. Any clue as to why this happens?
No. I'll have to look at it.
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Old 29th September 2009, 22:13   #5412  |  Link
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Use the newest version. That error should have been corrected in v0.29.5.

Yes. The logfile is written to the output directory.
I was using 30.01........i'll try 30.02 and see what happens.
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Old 30th September 2009, 01:41   #5413  |  Link
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I'm going to post this again because no one seems to want to answer my question.

Quick question, I encoded a full movie back up of Punisher 2 War Zone to a BD-25. The disc loads up fine and plays in my Sony BDP-S300, but I've noticed the movie is a bit jumpy and choppy in parts, like the frame rate is stuttering. What could cause this? This is not the first time I've encountered this problem. I ended up just taking the largest M2TS file and running it through Ripbot instead and made a 20gb BDMV AVCHD file instead and burned it and it plays beautiful, but I wanted the whole bluray, extras included. What could cause BD-Rebuilder to cause stuttering of the frame rate?
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Old 30th September 2009, 02:22   #5414  |  Link
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I'm going to post this again because no one seems to want to answer my question.
Not the best way to start a question you would like help with!
Anyway, more info is needed, like the BD-RB log, INI, and if this is a 1080i/p file, etc.. The more info you can provide regarding this disc, the more likely someone could reply.
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I'm going to post this again because no one seems to want to answer my question.

Quick question, I encoded a full movie back up of Punisher 2 War Zone to a BD-25. The disc loads up fine and plays in my Sony BDP-S300, but I've noticed the movie is a bit jumpy and choppy in parts, like the frame rate is stuttering. What could cause this? This is not the first time I've encountered this problem. I ended up just taking the largest M2TS file and running it through Ripbot instead and made a 20gb BDMV AVCHD file instead and burned it and it plays beautiful, but I wanted the whole bluray, extras included. What could cause BD-Rebuilder to cause stuttering of the frame rate?
It could be a bad burn, bad media, low resources, and about a million other things. How does the BD-Rebuilder result play from the hard drive? What settings are you using in BD-Rebuilder? Are you using the latest firmware for the Sony SAP? Maybe posting the log and .ini settings would give someone something to look at, in order to help answer your question(s).
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Old 30th September 2009, 10:25   #5416  |  Link
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I have serious issues with reports that are looking at output size or say "it didn't fill the disc!"... in most cases it is meaningless. I'll be happy to add a zero filled file to the output to make it 24GB -- as in most cases that will do about the same to improve the quality as adding bitrate above 20000 Kbs.
This is the time for me to make a confession: With every new version of BD Rebuilder I checked the maximum output size and maximum bitrate of my reference movie `The Siege` (29.7 GB) after encoding.
I belong to the group of users who still believe that in general a higher bitrate means higher picture quality and therefore hate wasting space on a BD-25.

And what can I say - with v030.01 you finally made it!

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Updated the maximum bitrate for BD-25 encoding to a higher rate to lower the undersizing probability.
A big THANK YOU for this. For the first time I was able to fill up my disc with 23.2 GB with that movie. (BTW - with v029.05 the maximum size was no more than 17.4 GB)

I use BD Rebuilder to reencode movie-only to BD-25 and now I am REALLY HAPPY to burn my movies with the maximum possible bitrate.
Believe me, on a projector screen size of 98" there are scenes where you can spot the difference between a bitrate of 19,985 kbps with v029.05 and 26,513 kbps with v030.01


@jdobbs: I really appreciate your work very much - have sent you a donation.
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Do you have any plans for adding an 'Force a particular subtitle to ON' setting in the next versions? So far I did use BDedit for that (which is definately *not* very user-friendly ). There's more and more sources that need a special subtitle stream to be forced ON for foreign dialoge or other stuff..

I know there's already an option like that present in BD Rebuilder's Mode menu but it's greyed out..

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Old 30th September 2009, 15:38   #5418  |  Link
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Do you have any plans for adding an 'Force a particular subtitle to ON' setting in the next versions? So far I did use BDedit for that (which is definately *not* very user-friendly ). There's more and more sources that need a special subtitle stream to be forced ON for foreign dialoge or other stuff..

I know there's already an option like that present in BD Rebuilder's Mode menu but it's greyed out..
Yeah, I plan to enable that eventually.
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Old 30th September 2009, 17:09   #5419  |  Link
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Problem with PIP audio

I have a problem with Pic In Pic.

I was doing LABYRINTH that has Pic-In-Pic.
As you can see the 2nd audio isn't been selected even if i choose all languages.

The result is that i can see the PIP but i no pip sound just the original.

I got the same result in the HULK.
Am i doing something wrong or missing something?
I am attaching the ini file as well.

Thanks

By the way, Great S/W .



[Options]
MODE=0
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
RESIZE=0
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=20
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=ang;eng;enm;heb;
TRELLIS=1
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
SHOW_ENCODER=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=7700
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
TARGET_SIZE=23000
VERBOSE_STATUS=1
KEEP_INTERLACING=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
PROCESS_SECONDARY=1
CRF_ENCODING=0
MKV_INTERMEDIATE=0
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
SD_CONVERT=0
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=H:\
WORKING_PATH=D:\ORIG\
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Old 30th September 2009, 20:21   #5420  |  Link
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I have a problem with Pic In Pic.

I was doing LABYRINTH that has Pic-In-Pic.
As you can see the 2nd audio isn't been selected even if i choose all languages.

The result is that i can see the PIP but i no pip sound just the original.

I got the same result in the HULK.
Am i doing something wrong or missing something?
I am attaching the ini file as well.

Thanks

By the way, Great S/W .



[Options]
MODE=0
QUICK_EXTRAS=0
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
RESIZE=0
MIN_M2TS_SIZE=20
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=all
SUBS_TO_KEEP=ang;eng;enm;heb;
TRELLIS=1
COLOR_BOOST=0
RESIZE_1080=0
SHOW_ENCODER=0
DTS_REENCODE=0
AC3_REENCODE=0
AC3_640=1
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=1
AVCHD=0
AUDIO_TRACK_LIMIT=0
SUBTITLE_TRACK_LIMIT=0
CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE=7700
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
TARGET_SIZE=23000
VERBOSE_STATUS=1
KEEP_INTERLACING=1
REMOVE_WORKFILES=0
PROCESS_SECONDARY=1
CRF_ENCODING=0
MKV_INTERMEDIATE=0
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
SD_CONVERT=0
[Paths]
SOURCE_PATH=H:\
WORKING_PATH=D:\ORIG\
Yeah, you ain't done enuf reading up.

only EAC3+ PiP audio tracks are supported. There's no free DTS-Express muxer available yet. Also if you have a Sony SAP then you need to set audio output to "mix" in the system menu of the player.
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