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Old 25th October 2021, 15:52   #62161  |  Link
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the oppo uses bilinear or worse NN for chroma scaling it would be sad if it doesn't rival it.
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Old 25th October 2021, 18:33   #62162  |  Link
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I looked at all the main players, and narrowed it down to Dune, Zappiti, and Ziddo, and ended up choosing the Zidoo Z1000 Pro, and I have to say, I could not be happier (https://www.avforums.com/reviews/zid...x-review.18745), and yes, the picture quality really does rival (read beat) the mighty Oppo 203!

I too found it difficult to look at anything other than a HTPC using MadVR, but, sadly, MadVr has stayed static, whilst the rest of the tech world has moved on.
I understand what you mean, but it's not necessarily madvr's fault but PC.
Unfortunately there's no perfect hardware player today either for everything, otherwise I would have one
E.g. I use madvr for sdr and hdr10, Plex app on LG TV for profile 5/8.1 DoVi and Oppo for profile 7 DoVi 4k BD only. There's no other way around it for now, maybe never will be.
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Old 25th October 2021, 19:20   #62163  |  Link
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the oppo uses bilinear or worse NN for chroma scaling it would be sad if it doesn't rival it.
Ok...you know I still love you, right?
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Old 25th October 2021, 19:26   #62164  |  Link
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I understand what you mean, but it's not necessarily madvr's fault but PC.
Unfortunately there's no perfect hardware player today either for everything, otherwise I would have one
E.g. I use madvr for sdr and hdr10, Plex app on LG TV for profile 5/8.1 DoVi and Oppo for profile 7 DoVi 4k BD only. There's no other way around it for now, maybe never will be.
Agreed, there will NEVER be a perfect solution, so, there are always comprises - mine is, is the picture good, does it just work, whats the interface like?.....and, is it wife friendly?

Like I said, happy viewing (for the 1st time in years, the wife and I just watched a film, no having to tweak, no if only...the picture quality, well, like watching a movie, and it looked great).

Each to their own, and happy viewing!

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Ok...you know I still love you, right?
if someone says it beats an oppo i'm just very easy to convince that it is true.
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Old 26th October 2021, 08:06   #62166  |  Link
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I`m using a dual display configuration.
1 - default: Asus VG259QM
2 - extended: Panasonic TX-P55ST60

madVR can switch a modes for default display only, but for extended display it can`t.
Yes, extended display is completely broken, it uses the settings from the main display, even LUT. Since my main monitor cannot switch refresh rates, madVR uses default 60Hz all the time. I changed the LUT of the main display (fortunately, I don't use it for film watching) and for now I manually switch refresh rates on extended display using nvidia driver. It's PITA but it works.
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if someone says it beats an oppo i'm just very easy to convince that it is true.
How dare you besmirch Oppo, the darling of the video enthusiast community.


The only thing worse than oppo players are their cellphones.
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Old 28th October 2021, 14:00   #62168  |  Link
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I understand what you mean, but it's not necessarily madvr's fault but PC.
Unfortunately there's no perfect hardware player today either for everything, otherwise I would have one
E.g. I use madvr for sdr and hdr10, Plex app on LG TV for profile 5/8.1 DoVi and Oppo for profile 7 DoVi 4k BD only. There's no other way around it for now, maybe never will be.

Madvr is the ONLY good solution on the market. Everything else is plain impractical.

Anything without end to end 3DLut support is also completely worthless.
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Old 28th October 2021, 17:43   #62169  |  Link
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From what I’ve read it seems MPV is getting closer to being a good substitute, apart from HDR —> SDR tonemapping. It’s already possible to load filters which is equally good or better at chroma upscaling than MadVRs NGU. It also seems MPV supports icc profiles and use it to generate a LUT on the fly. Probably not quite as good as our pre-rendered 3D-LUTs, but closer to that than nothing.

I just searched all of this since I’m planning to buy a new laptop, and was wondering about other solutions. I’m still landing on mpc-hc + MadVR though.
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Can anyone with nvidia and the latest drivers can confirm if windowed overlay is working? I get this error - "the gpu driver does not support overlay." Madvr 0.92.17

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I get the same message. no Overlay in Win11 with 496.49.
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Old 29th October 2021, 09:23   #62172  |  Link
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I get the same message. no Overlay in Win11 with 496.49.
So it seems nvidia stopped it from working with their new drivers...
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Old 29th October 2021, 12:31   #62173  |  Link
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What were the advantages of "windowed overlay"?
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What were the advantages of "windowed overlay"?
It is maybe the most stable rendering mode.
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Old 29th October 2021, 13:14   #62175  |  Link
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What causes presentation glitches? I've been getting a bunch lately, out of nowhere.

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Old 29th October 2021, 14:05   #62176  |  Link
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After upgrading to Windows 11, mpc-be can no longer enter into Fullscreen Exclusive Mode (8-bit or 10-bit) with Madvr V0.92.17. It is always fullscreen windowed. Previously it was working on Windows 10. Anyone else having the same issue? Thanks.
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Old 29th October 2021, 14:11   #62177  |  Link
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Also, I read that madvr V0.92.17 is having issue on Windows 11 getting HDR to display properly. Does it resolve if I use OS HDR instead? Some say no saying the color still looks incorrect but I am not sure as I cannot compare it with the OS HDR picture on Windows 10.
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Old 29th October 2021, 15:47   #62178  |  Link
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What causes presentation glitches? I've been getting a bunch lately, out of nowhere.
usually composition rate issues or dual screen setups if you are not on win 11 you can try overlay this mode is pretty much totally immune to all of these issues.
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Old 29th October 2021, 16:09   #62179  |  Link
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usually composition rate issues or dual screen setups if you are not on win 11 you can try overlay this mode is pretty much totally immune to all of these issues.



this ^^
The presentation glitches only started when I switched from using DSPlayer, to MPC-HC.

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Old 30th October 2021, 01:11   #62180  |  Link
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It also seems MPV supports icc profiles and use it to generate a LUT on the fly. Probably not quite as good as our pre-rendered 3D-LUTs, but closer to that than nothing.
It's not better than nothing, it's most likely WORSE than nothing.

Madvr gives you END TO END, calibration goes through its renderer, You can be 100% confident that the measurements correlate with output. It also dithers, ensuring smooth corrections, which "effectively,sorta,kinda, magics" 8bit panels into 10bit panels..

ANY other method is just winging it. In the case of the interaction between our clandestine free softwares, gpu drivers, windows random updates, gamma ramps, bit depth discrepancies, It's a total nightmare.

There was a windows update not long ago that completely broke windows gamma ramp for months.

Color tweaking outside of Madvr, you're better off using the TV's internal rgb gamma correction, because at least you can count on its consistency when interacting with the software set to default.
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