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[Kampfwurstwasser]

Well, i do only BD25 full disc backups with high quality 2 pass setting and my i7 920 @ 3.2ghz takes about 6-7h to complete, i guess 1 pass will be ready in under 4h.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by Kampfwurstwasser

Well, i do only BD25 full disc backups with high quality 2 pass setting and my i7 920 @ 3.2ghz takes about 6-7h to complete, i guess 1 pass will be ready in under 4h.

Hmm... I must have misunderstood.

[Kampfwurstwasser]

Hm i have quick extras disabled and full Backup enabled.
But when running the 1st pass not all 8 cores/threads are under full load.
I guess the decoder is slower than x264.

[DK]

Originally Posted by humphammer

WOW....20 hours to make a back-up seems long to me....it has never taken more than 4 to 5 hours from start to finish for any back up I have made including the 3 hour Lord of the Rings movies. I use the normal priority high speed BD-25 encode settings, and everything is done in one pass. I use Verbatim BD-25 media, have never had one to skip or glitch in any way, and I can tell absolutely no difference in the original and the back ups in either picture or sound quality, and that is with an 82 inch TV and a 7.1 surround sound system. I honestly do not see how the two pass high quality settings would make my back ups any better. If those options are needed to make a high quality DVD-5 or DVD-9 I will gladly trade 15 extra hours for the $2.00 difference in price per disc.

I have even had cases of movie only BD25 conversion were i could the difference when high speed was used as opposed to two pass high or highest quality so please stay away from generalization.

It may be fine for some titles but definitely not all or most of them.

[humphammer]

Originally Posted by DK

I have even had cases of movie only BD25 conversion were i could the difference when high speed was used as opposed to two pass high or highest quality so please stay away from generalization.

It may be fine for some titles but definitely not all or most of them.

I always do movie only for back-ups....I tested all three Lord of the Rings movies, which were all in the three hour range, as well as Apocalypto, and most recently The Wolfman....I have the originals loaded in a Sony 400 disc Blu-Ray changer, and put the back-ups in a PS3....all I have to do is change the inputs on my surround sound processor to switch both picture and sound from one source to the other....I have a Mitsubishi 82 inch DLP 1080P HDTV, and a 7.1 surround processor powered by a Denon processor....I have stopped the movies at different places and switched from one to the other, and neither me nor my guests have been able to tell any difference what-so-ever....that is all I can go by, and you may be correct I may run into a difference down the road, but in the movies backed up so far I would challenge you to tell me is it original, or Verbatim.

[humphammer]

Originally Posted by jdobbs

Seems long to me too. My BD-25 backups take about 3-4 hours and BD-5 (High Quality) is usually 10 hours or so. I'm using a low-end, older quad processor (Phenom 9500). I've heard that newer processors (like and i7) can do complete High Quality backups to BD-25 in 4 hours or less.

I have a fairly new Dell system with a i7 processor, and a Matshita burner...it is very fast.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by humphammer

I always do movie only for back-ups....I tested all three Lord of the Rings movies, which were all in the three hour range, as well as Apocalypto, and most recently The Wolfman....I have the originals loaded in a Sony 400 disc Blu-Ray changer, and put the back-ups in a PS3....all I have to do is change the inputs on my surround sound processor to switch both picture and sound from one source to the other....I have a Mitsubishi 82 inch DLP 1080P HDTV, and a 7.1 surround processor powered by a Denon processor....I have stopped the movies at different places and switched from one to the other, and neither me nor my guests have been able to tell any difference what-so-ever....that is all I can go by, and you may be correct I may run into a difference down the road, but in the movies backed up so far I would challenge you to tell me is it original, or Verbatim.

My experience is the same.

[raspi2]

Originally Posted by humphammer

WOW....20 hours to make a back-up seems long to me....it has never taken more than 4 to 5 hours from start to finish for any back up I have made including the 3 hour Lord of the Rings movies. I use the normal priority high speed BD-25 encode settings, and everything is done in one pass. I use Verbatim BD-25 media, have never had one to skip or glitch in any way, and I can tell absolutely no difference in the original and the back ups in either picture or sound quality, and that is with an 82 inch TV and a 7.1 surround sound system. I honestly do not see how the two pass high quality settings would make my back ups any better. If those options are needed to make a high quality DVD-5 or DVD-9 I will gladly trade 15 extra hours for the $2.00 difference in price per disc.

Forgot to tell you that I am doing BD-9 backups, which is more compression. Probably why it takes longer.

[DK]

Originally Posted by humphammer

....that is all I can go by, and you may be correct I may run into a difference down the road, but in the movies backed up so far I would challenge you to tell me is it original, or Verbatim.

I agree with you that certain titles done with very fast settings cannot be distinguished from an original - thanx to all the hard work jdobbs put into bd rb and others for creating encoder, muxer and the like.

But the questions is not: can i/you pick 5 or 10 spots within a certain title that look identical.
The question is: do i spot flaw while watching?

And my answers is: i did with SOME titles when using high speed but did NOT with the very same movie when doing a 2 pass high or highest quality conversion later on.

At this point a cannot present any proof as the conversions in questions were of course deleted but i may do some testruns some time and post my findings.

[raspi2]

jdobbs, here is a copy of my log for a BD-9. As you can see, it is actually 26 hrs. I have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ and 1.9 Ghz, 960 MB of RAM. Do you think it should be running faster or is this about right?

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[16:34:39] BD Rebuilder v0.33.05 (beta)
- Source: DISC1
- Input BD size: 20.55 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:57:36.014]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=448
[16:34:39] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:34:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:20:30] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [17:20:30] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 169,175 frames
- Bitrate: 8,493 Kbs
- [17:20:31] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:49:32] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [17:38:57] Video Encode complete
- [17:38:57] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [17:40:59] Multiplexing M2TS
[17:57:25]PHASE ONE complete
[17:57:25]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:57:25] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[18:14:26] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[18:14:26]JOB: DISC1 finished.

[DK]

x264 needs a powerful cpu so a 24h conversion is not too uncommon with a processor like yours, raspi2.

Of course it also makes a massive difference if you use high speed encoding for BD-25 output or a 2 pass high or highest quality conversion.
x264 will run with very different settings and take way less time.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by raspi2

jdobbs, here is a copy of my log for a BD-9. As you can see, it is actually 26 hrs. I have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ and 1.9 Ghz, 960 MB of RAM. Do you think it should be running faster or is this about right?

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[16:34:39] BD Rebuilder v0.33.05 (beta)
- Source: DISC1
- Input BD size: 20.55 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:57:36.014]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=448
[16:34:39] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:34:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:20:30] Reencoding: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [17:20:30] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 169,175 frames
- Bitrate: 8,493 Kbs
- [17:20:31] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [23:49:32] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2
- [17:38:57] Video Encode complete
- [17:38:57] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [17:40:59] Multiplexing M2TS
[17:57:25]PHASE ONE complete
[17:57:25]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [17:57:25] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[18:14:26] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[18:14:26]JOB: DISC1 finished.

I guess I can see that for a Dual Core running at 1.9Ghz. My Phenom system runs at 2.21Ghz -- and it has four cores. Since video processing is so CPU intensive, it makes sense that my system would a little better than twice as fast as yours. I also have 4GB of RAM. The memory probably wouldn't normally make that much difference -- but 960MB is a pretty low. I'm currently running X264 on my computer and it has allocated 875MB to that process alone.

[raspi2]

yeah, i run Normal Priority and High Quality (Default)

[snakeman]

Originally Posted by snakeman

I had to use mp4box version 4.6,dev. The supplied version was crashing in Windows 7 32bit pro. I know this sounds like a feature request, but can adding the ac3 audio track for appletv compliance become a possibility?


Great app.




snakeman

Currently using handbrake 0.9.4, it seems fine, but I have to reencode again.


Cheers:


snakeman

[Race Guy]

Originally Posted by raspi2

jdobbs, here is a copy of my log for a BD-9. As you can see, it is actually 26 hrs. I have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3600+ and 1.9 Ghz, 960 MB of RAM. Do you think it should be running faster or is this about right?

It's all about cores. x264 is multi threaded, so the more the merrier!

I had an Athlon X2 5000+ "Black" that was slightly OC'd to like 2.8GHz with 4GB of RAM & XP Pro 32. On a full backup to 25, that setup would give me about 3 to 4 fps at "HQ".

I then had the MoBo die while under warranty, so while it was out for repair, I checked out which Athlon Phenom Quads would fit that board. I found a "NIB" 9750 Quad that runs at 2.4GHz on fleaBay for $70.

I popped that in & now I get frame rates in the 7 to 10 area with a 20% slower CPU clock speed.

From what I've seen, the higher the bitrate you're encoding the slower x264 runs. So for the same content & quality setting a BU to 9 at 8000k completes MUCH faster than a BU to 25 at 24000k.

How do you get "960MB of RAM", raspi? It goes 256, 512, 1024, 2048MB.

[DGenerateKane]

Any tips on getting a BD-RE to burn? I just got a Sony BD-RE and found that while it burned fine with IMGBurn with the same settings as my BD-R's, it is not recognized in either my PS3 or my BD-ROM drive, just my BD-R drive recognizes it correctly.

[jdobbs]

Originally Posted by snakeman

Currently using handbrake 0.9.4, it seems fine, but I have to reencode again.


Cheers:


snakeman

I'm using the supplied MP4BOX on Windows 7 32 bit -- no problems.

[DarWun]

Originally Posted by DGenerateKane

Any tips on getting a BD-RE to burn? I just got a Sony BD-RE and found that while it burned fine with IMGBurn with the same settings as my BD-R's, it is not recognized in either my PS3 or my BD-ROM drive, just my BD-R drive recognizes it correctly.

I believe BD-REs that are version 2.0 or greater will play back in the PS3. The PS3 will not recognize version 1.0 BD-RE disks.

[Capsbackup]

Originally Posted by DGenerateKane

Any tips on getting a BD-RE to burn? I just got a Sony BD-RE and found that while it burned fine with IMGBurn with the same settings as my BD-R's, it is not recognized in either my PS3 or my BD-ROM drive, just my BD-R drive recognizes it correctly.

Did you do a full format with IMGBurn first? This needs to be done only once, which will take quite some time, ( 90-115 minutes ) then it should burn at 2x, and you can do a quick erase before your next usage.

[bassnut]

Well of the 3 systems I have used BD Rebuilder on .....

Sys 1 - AMD Athlon X25200+ @ 2.8GHZ with 4 gig PC400 ram Vista Ultimate 64 would take me about 24 to 28 Hrs when I first started to use BD Rebuilder about 10 months ago. Processor pegged 100% all the way.

Sys 2 - AMD PhenomX4 940 @ 3.2GHZ 4 GIG DDR2 1066 Ram Vista Ultimate 64 would take about 12 Hrs about 8 months ago ..... could shave off an easy hour by over clocking it to 3.7GHZ. Processor wouild run about 90% on first pass and peg at 100% for second pass.

SYS 3 - AMD PhenomX4 965 @ 3.2GHZ DDR3 1600 Ram Windows 7 Pro 64 takes about 5 hours with Auto Settings and I can shave off about 1.5 Hrs with it over clocked to 3.9GHZ and about 6 hrs with High quality settings. Processor wouild run about 90% on first pass and peg at 100% for second pass. Depending on the movie I get about 75fps first pass and about 15 -21 fps Second pass the odd movie would get down to about 12 fps but not too often.

The Processor does make a big diference.