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Old 6th November 2023, 18:32   #1341  |  Link
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OK the leak rates can be deducted from the H.265 standard Annex A 4.2.

Main10 High Tier would be:
1.1x160x10^6 for levels 5.1 (capped to 1.1x100 for Blu-rays),
1.1x100x10^6 for level 5.0,
1.1x50x10^6 for level 4.1,
1.1x30x10^6 for level 4.0.

Edit: so you would have to encode to level 4.1 for a 50GB BD-R disk spinning at 64 Mbps / 2x or 81.7 Mbps / 2.5x.

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Anyone know if anything better than AC3 can be played back by my Panasonic TV whilst playing DV content after remixing to TS from MKV and how that would be achieved?
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Anyone know if anything better than AC3 can be played back by my Panasonic TV whilst playing DV content after remixing to TS from MKV and how that would be achieved?
What's your Panasonic TV's model number?

Just-so-you-know... No make and model of television is able to display Dolby Vision content stored with the .mkv container. Currently, just .mp4 and .ts/.m2ts containers are supported.
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Just-so-you-know... No make and model of television is able to display Dolby Vision content stored with the .mkv container. Currently, just .mp4 and .ts/.m2ts containers are supported.
Hey. It's a LZ980. Yeah I have to remux to TS then rename the extension to MKV so the tv sees it and bingo. But yeah no DTS MA or Dolby HD, I'm aware there's a limitation I've seen it specified before, just wondered if anything had changed on that front. Cheers.
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...But yeah no DTS MA or Dolby HD, I'm aware there's a limitation I've seen it specified before, just wondered if anything had changed on that front. Cheers.
Lossless audio formats such as DTS-HD MA and Dolby True HD (with or without Atmos) have to be bit-streamed via HDMI eARC to an supporting AVR, regardless of the TV's manufacturer.

According to pages 180 and 181 of your TV's 'eHelp' information, it would appear that lossy audio formats such as Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus usually up-to 5.1 channels (with or without Atmos) are able to be decoded by the Panasonic's media player app (or be passed via HDMI ARC/eARC to an supporting AVR). Sadly, support for lossy DTS decoding is no longer mentioned.

On a more personal note, I'd be interested to know if the media player app in the 2022 (and 2023) Panasonic TV's supports playback of stereo/multi-channel FLAC, either as a .flac file or when muxed within the .mkv container with video...

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Old 20th November 2023, 21:20   #1346  |  Link
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What's your Panasonic TV's model number?

Just-so-you-know... No make and model of television is able to display Dolby Vision content stored with the .mkv container. Currently, just .mp4 and .ts/.m2ts containers are supported.
Actually, Sony Bravia TV supports DV in an MKV container.

https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/view...134179#p134179
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Actually, Sony Bravia TV supports DV in an MKV container.

https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/view...134179#p134179
Nah, not using it's own media player app.

As far as I'm aware Matroska has not developed the required file parser yet. But I'd really like to be proved wrong!
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Nah, not using it's own media player app.

As far as I'm aware Matroska has not developed the required file parser yet. But I'd really like to be proved wrong!
Well AFAIK PLEX supports what the TV supports internally and it cannot force support for a non-supported format.

PLEX is more practical than TVs internal app anyway, and I would be VERY happy if my C2 supported DV mkv in PLEX but it doesn't.
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Nah, not using it's own media player app.

As far as I'm aware Matroska has not developed the required file parser yet. But I'd really like to be proved wrong!
Mkv dolby vision files are for Sony. You just install APK file that can play it and pass metadata.
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Mkv dolby vision files are for Sony. You just install APK file that can play it and pass metadata.
Hmmm... The APK file for what device?
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On a more personal note, I'd be interested to know if the media player app in the 2022 (and 2023) Panasonic TV's supports playback of stereo/multi-channel FLAC, either as a .flac file or when muxed within the .mkv container with video...
Cheers. FLAC unsupported in MKV but works with stereo flac files. Multi-channel straight up froze the player and turned the TV off.
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Cheers. FLAC unsupported in MKV but works with stereo flac files. Multi-channel straight up froze the player and turned the TV off.
Thanks for doing this.

You'd think Panasonic would mention that their media player app is able to support 2-ch Flac within their TV's specifications.

By contrast, my 2016 LG televisions media player app can't play native flac files but it can play 2-ch and 6-ch flac when it's muxed within the .mkv container along with video - Neither of which is mentioned in the user manual

I'm one of those people who often uses my TV to play music files rather than switching on my amps and media streamer (OPPO)...
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Hmmm... The APK file for what device?
APK file and nowadays Split "APKS" is what Android uses. As for what apk https://www.google.com/search?q=apk+...sion+profile+5

This one https://github.com/moneytoo/Player/releases

Or

https://emby.media/community/index.p...-dolby-vision/

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Thanks for doing this.

You'd think Panasonic would mention that their media player app is able to support 2-ch Flac within their TV's specifications.
Yeah I was surprised, maybe it's a somewhat recent addition, the multichannel playback is hit and miss, 3 channel can sometimes work, 7.1 channel is a no go. Much prefer the Dolby picture overall, probably the majority of likely due to the picture profile the TV loads when playing it back.
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I hope my post will be somewhat useful, coz I couldn't find out an answer as to how to make Sony UBP-X800M2 trigger Dolby Vision (DV) input when playing an original m2ts file from the BD 4k DV disk using a USB flashdrive. Long story short. I run the m2ts file though tsMuxeR GUI git-2c58285 ("tsMuxeR 2022-08-14 Nightly Portable Windows 64-bit") from m2ts into the same m2ts only de-clicking unnecessary audio tracks and, Bingo!, x800m2 indicates Dolby Vision as input, while for the non-modified file it indicates just HDR. It was Uncharted 4k uhd disk. tsMuxeR shows two video tracks: 4k and 1080p for both original m2ts and after remuxing. If I could feedback anything more for the purpose of developing this wonderful utility, please ask. I'll do my best.
Keep on using your lovely program for all this time! Recently figured out what is getting changed by the TSmuxer when I just "translate" ISO's m2ts into m2ts/ts on usb/lan folder for my sony Sony UBP-X800M2:
Original m2ts
Code:
Video #2
ID                                       : 4117 (0x1015)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 1 h 45 min
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
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Video #2
ID                                       : 4117 (0x1015)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
Codec ID                                 : 6
Duration                                 : 1 h 45 min
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
For the first file DV is not trigger on the player even though it is triggered when played with physical Blu-ray disk. Second file triggers DV perfectly. So, please, never remove this change for "HDR format" info
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For the first file DV is not trigger on the player even though it is triggered when played with physical Blu-ray disk. Second file triggers DV perfectly. So, please, never remove this change for "HDR format" info
Which git build are you using?
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Which git build are you using?
Always used git-f254deb. Today tried git-72d4b4e for the newer avatar 4k uhd re-release with dolby vision (collector's edition) - worked perfectly as well.
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Old 26th December 2023, 13:27   #1358  |  Link
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Well AFAIK PLEX supports what the TV supports internally and it cannot force support for a non-supported format.

PLEX is more practical than TVs internal app anyway, and I would be VERY happy if my C2 supported DV mkv in PLEX but it doesn't.
I recently added Dolby Vision support to my version of Movian for Android and it is perfect for testing DV/HDR10+/HDR/SDR, etc. in mkv/mp4/m2ts.

Since it can also tamper with the hevc bytestream you can remove/force DV/HDR10+ like some other apps do. I'm mentioning this only because it is about Android/AndroidTV and can be used to test your TV/receiver capabilities.

Just fwiw and happy holidays!

p.s. You can find Movian here if you want to test: movian.deanbg.com
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What means this msg from Tsmuxer?
"Tsmuxer finished with error code 1or I (it is not clear if 1 or I)
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