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Old 26th September 2021, 09:21   #62001  |  Link
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there will ever be a new version of madvr?
Remains to be seen at this stage. Maybe next a bug fix / minor improvement release in the next year or two if the Gods of Capitalism allow it.
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Old 26th September 2021, 09:36   #62002  |  Link
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Hi there,

What would you recommend as a GPU to enjoy HDR content on my 4K monitor (non-HDR) with the latest madVR beta version?
Is it that demanding in GPU power?

Have you already compared the algorithms of madVR with new TV and Dolby Vision content.

I know all sorts of smart cheap boxes exist but I'm too devoted to Windows and Android makes me puke.
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Old 26th September 2021, 16:53   #62003  |  Link
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madvr compares very favorably to DoVi if you have the patience, knowledge, and time to configure it properly for your TV. This is talking about the beta builds with a decent video card. I'm not going to even try to make recommendations on that as I typically go for the most powerful thing I can afford/get my hands on when picking a video card but I also use it for gaming. Currently my HTPC is dead and won't be fixed until sometime in February so we'll see what's available then. LOL

But yea, madvr dynamic tone mapping works very well indeed....again, with some work.
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Old 26th September 2021, 17:33   #62004  |  Link
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Hi. I use MPC-HC with MadVR and RTX 3070 Ti. When I set display to 23hz, it automatically goes to 23.976hz, but when I set it to 47hz, it isn't going to 47.952hz. How can I set the frequency of my monitor to 47.952?
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Old 26th September 2021, 17:51   #62005  |  Link
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Is a 47 Hz mode in dropdownlist in windows?
If not, you must create it but be careful custom resolutions could damage your monitor. I never had a problem but it is possible.
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Remains to be seen at this stage. Maybe next a bug fix / minor improvement release in the next year or two if the Gods of Capitalism allow it.
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Is a 47 Hz mode in dropdownlist in windows?
If not, you must create it but be careful custom resolutions could damage your monitor. I never had a problem but it is possible.
My TV have VRR. How do I add 47.952 to dropdownlist?
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Old 27th September 2021, 05:17   #62008  |  Link
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With madVR: search for II.III. "Trying to add missing 23p mode"
http://madvr.com/crt/CustomResTutorial.html

If this does not work anymore with recent drivers, then CRU:
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/T...on-Utility-CRU
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Old 27th September 2021, 14:55   #62009  |  Link
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But yea, madvr dynamic tone mapping works very well indeed....again, with some work.
Is there a "state of the art" post somewhere on DTM with madVR and OLED TVs? Or is the general consensus that it's not worth it and one might as well use the internal tone mapping for HDR10 and be done with it?
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Is there a "state of the art" post somewhere on DTM with madVR and OLED TVs? Or is the general consensus that it's not worth it and one might as well use the internal tone mapping for HDR10 and be done with it?
Very much depends on the TV model..
Newer TVs are probably better at mapping different brightness content, some companies better than others (Panasonic, Sony IIRC).

The thing is, for 99% of the content out there graded for 1000 nits, there would not be a noticeable difference.
I don't know how newer TVs handle 4000 nits and more, this is something HDTVTest covers in their HDR tests.

Up to you to decide if you prefer using an HTPC or other devices.
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As mentioned, it really depends on what you're looking to do. I agree that 1000 nit graded content on an OLED does not need a lot of help. 4000 and higher nit content would benefit on some of the OLEDs, but is that enough to spend the time and money to create an HTPC configured to handle it? All depends on your goal.

For many of us, the HDR tone mapping on OLED is just gravy. What I mean is that it's not our main use case for using madvr on these screens. At least for me, anyway. I have lots of 720 and 1080 SDR content that I upscale to 2160 and that can get a bit resource intensive depending on what you're trying to achieve. The end result, however, is remarkable.

So for us that have an HTPC (or did in my case LOL), having one solution that plays all of our content is worthwhile. Hence taking the time to configure madvr for dynamic tone mapping matters to us because it's there anyway. But if your ONLY goal for using madvr is to watch UHD content, it could definitely be argued that madvr is overkill for the vast majority of content on an OLED.
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Old 27th September 2021, 21:26   #62012  |  Link
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is that enough to spend the time and money to create an HTPC configured to handle it? All depends on your goal.
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For many of us, the HDR tone mapping on OLED is just gravy. What I mean is that it's not our main use case for using madvr on these screens. At least for me, anyway. I have lots of 720 and 1080 SDR content that I upscale to 2160 and that can get a bit resource intensive depending on what you're trying to achieve.
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So for us that have an HTPC (or did in my case LOL), having one solution that plays all of our content is worthwhile. Hence taking the time to configure madvr for dynamic tone mapping matters to us because it's there anyway. But if your ONLY goal for using madvr is to watch UHD content, it could definitely be argued that madvr is overkill for the vast majority of content on an OLED.
I've been using an HTPC since 2007. I've got a 3070 in it, so I most definitely don't need to build it and I use it for all kind of content already.
Still not a lot of info around on how to implement madVR's DTM for OLEDs.
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Nothing on a PC supports playing DoVi.
Thought so too, but I saw some mentions of it on Reddit, and sure enough, it seems that some devices are certified for Dolby Vision with Windows. After downloading the Dolby Vision extensions for Windows, I actually see Netflix's tags with "Dolby Vision" on my Spectre X360 15-inch with OLED panel. Further, Netflix enables HDR (or DoVi but no way to actually tell) automatically, without me having to enable HDR on Windows. But this only works on the laptop screen, not on the GTX 1050Ti Max Q powered HDMI port, so it might be an Intel thing (i7-9750H).

But no way to confirm 100% if it's actually Dolby Vision.
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Old 27th September 2021, 22:20   #62014  |  Link
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Still not a lot of info around on how to implement madVR's DTM for OLEDs.
Not exactly sure what you're looking for, DTM settings to use madVR for high nits OLEDs?
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Thought so too, but I saw some mentions of it on Reddit, and sure enough, it seems that some devices are certified for Dolby Vision with Windows. After downloading the Dolby Vision extensions for Windows, I actually see Netflix's tags with "Dolby Vision" on my Spectre X360 15-inch with OLED panel. Further, Netflix enables HDR (or DoVi but no way to actually tell) automatically, without me having to enable HDR on Windows. But this only works on the laptop screen, not on the GTX 1050Ti Max Q powered HDMI port, so it might be an Intel thing (i7-9750H).

But no way to confirm 100% if it's actually Dolby Vision.
Sorry, yes, I knew about this and yes it's DoVi. What I meant was no way to play non-DRM'd up the yang content outside of an official Windows Store application. I think Disney+ may work, too but I never got to try it before my HTPC died.

Sadly it helps in no way for anything outside of that ecosystem.
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Not exactly sure what you're looking for, DTM settings to use madVR for high nits OLEDs?
More or less, yes. I own a 77C1 and I suppose that it might be worth a try with higher than 1,000 nits mastered material.

I also see Envy has introduced Non Linear Stretching+ as new functionality. Still hoping to see a paid for madVR for HTPC sooner rather than later.
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More or less, yes. I own a 77C1 and I suppose that it might be worth a try with higher than 1,000 nits mastered material.
Since you have a C1, you should be able to upload a custom tonemap curve without roll-off, and get it to start clipping at 700 nits.
Then madVR has to be set to 700 nits peak brightness.
That way the TV won't tonemap anything (in theory). Not sure if anyone's ever tried this out.

For the madVR beta builds (assuming 140+), this is a decent starting point https://postimg.cc/SJqgML2t.

You should figure out your preference with regards to "dynamic target nits", lower = brighter APL, lower contrast. higher = dimmer APL, higher contrast.

If you want stability, you could change the TM curve to mars and use a value around 10-15.
Otherwise that's what you get for beta builds, alternatively there's the option of going back to older versions (around 113 I think?).
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What do you think, will be there a new beta before the notification message will appear this time?
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The madVR discussion on AVS Forum is focused on projectors. I've also seen some recommendations for OLED TVs. Has anyone here seen a guide or suggested settings for an LCD 4K TV? I'm using the 113 beta, but I could join the expiring beta club if necessary. madVR looks better than straight HDR, but not as good as DoVi discs on my Panasonic player.
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What do you think, will be there a new beta before the notification message will appear this time?
Must be getting close to the date.. not that I use madVR enough to see it.

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The madVR discussion on AVS Forum is focused on projectors. I've also seen some recommendations for OLED TVs. Has anyone here seen a guide or suggested settings for an LCD 4K TV? I'm using the 113 beta, but I could join the expiring beta club if necessary. madVR looks better than straight HDR, but not as good as DoVi discs on my Panasonic player.
Beta builds with custom curves improved the APL/highlight detail ratio a lot, but that's only really useful for content over your TV's native peak brightness.
Depending on your TV's brightness, it might not be worth it.
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