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Old 28th February 2019, 04:05   #41  |  Link
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I wonder if GPU encoding will become an option for BD-RB?
I asked about this in the past, but I can't find the response post..

best I could find was... https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php...ostcount=28054 which implies that jdobbs doesn't have an nvidia card capable of NVENC, nor does he have an Intel CPU that supports QuickSync. I think that would impact development and testing.

So While I know QS requires Intel CPU/GPU, and NVENC requires an Nvidia card, there have been quality issues in the past, while the newer 9700/9900 Intel chips, and Nvidia RTX cards supposedly do a better job, I don't know if its really on par with software/cpu. I can say when using other software with GPU acceleration with my GTX970, it looks a little fuzzy compared to when I use that other software and/or BD-RB with x264.

And then there is the different things the GPU supports encoding/decoding (for example, see NVIDIA's chart.. https://developer.nvidia.com/video-e...support-matrix be sure to click the buttons for the older graphic card series...) So would BD-RB need to determine IF GPU supports xxx format, use it, else use software/cpu? how much complexity does that add.

But yeah, since I can't find that past discussion, if jdobbs sees this and can reply it would be great, because I don't completely know what I'm talking about

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Old 22nd March 2019, 17:04   #42  |  Link
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I've been out of the game for a couple years between health issues and re-location, and discovered just recently that my trusty video computer has not survived the move. So I am thinking about Repair (I do have a spare motherboard) or Replace, and regarding Replace I see no mention here of IDE. Yeah I know it's old tech, but I have four drives with good stuff on them so...

Since the IDE interface appears not to be offered on motherboards anymore, are there PCI cards that will give me IDE-0 and IDE-1? Honestly I have never been too interested in speed increases since I got into the habit of doing my (relatively few) backups overnight.

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Old 22nd March 2019, 17:59   #43  |  Link
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Sure thing, startech is pretty known for interface cards.

https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...r-Card~PEX2IDE

If i were you, i'd get one get a new sata hdd big enough to hold all the data of those 4 drives. Then get one of those adapters, hook the drives up, transfer all the data and send the adapter back
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Old 22nd March 2019, 22:36   #44  |  Link
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Sure thing, startech is pretty known for interface cards.

https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapt...r-Card~PEX2IDE

If i were you, i'd get one get a new sata hdd big enough to hold all the data of those 4 drives. Then get one of those adapters, hook the drives up, transfer all the data and send the adapter back
Thanks! But I never send anything back! My shop is packed-full of such valuable stuff!

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Old 15th July 2020, 13:58   #45  |  Link
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And I'm back after another round of upgrades...

Now my rig is...
Motherboard: Asus Prime Z490-A
CPU: Intel Boxed Core I9-10900K (10th Gen) Comet Lake 3.7Ghz 20MB Cache Processor LGA1200 BX8070110900K
Heatsink/Fan: Noctua NH-D15 - CPU Cooler with two 140mm PWM Fans (NOTE: I had to replace one of the 140mm fans with a 120mm due to RAM clearance)
Paste: NT-H1 high-grade thermal compound (included with NH-D15)
Memory: G.SKILL 16GB (2x 8GB) - G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-3200MHz CL4 F4-3200C14D-16GVK (Running in XMP mode PC3200)
Case: Antec Nine Hundred II case
Power: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G3, 80 Plus Gold 1000W
Video Card: EVGA GTX 1660ti XC Ultra Gaminig 06G-P4-1267-KR
Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech MK520 Wireless Keyboard & Mouse (USB receiver)
Internal Drives:
Qty 1 - 500gb Samsung 850 EVO SSD - Win 10
Qty 1 - 250gb Samsung 840 SSD - Win 7 64bit
Qty 1 - 1Tb Western Digital Black SATA III - WD4005FZBX
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital RED 4 TB SATA III 64 MB - WD40EFRX
Qty 1 - 4Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III 64 MB- WD40EZRZ
Qty 1 - 3Tb Western Digital Mainstream/Blue SATA III 64 MB- WD30EZRZ
Bluray: LG Super Multi Blue Internal SATA 16x Blu-ray Disc Rewriter BH16NS40 BD-RW/DVD-RW (via Port 2 on SI-PEX40057, see below)
Syba 4 Port SATA III PCI-e 2.0 x2 HyperDuo RAID Card (SI-PEX40057) plugged into PCIEX16_3 slot
Antec Easy SATA - Hot Swap Hard Drive Caddy w/Esata port (via Port 1 on SI-PEX40057, see above)

Along with the external USB attached hard drives, and a WD My Cloud from before.

After swapping parts, I booted Windows 10 Pro, and installed any missing drivers.

Anyway, just to be consistent for testing, I dug out Mission Impossible 5, ripped it to the hard drive (Passkey) again and ran it using the most recent copy of BD Rebuilder (v0.61.05), with the same INI as in Post #5.

This time...
[00:53:39] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[01:24:20] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.

So if my math is right... at 30 minutes 41 seconds the i9-10900K is faster than the 53 minutes 30 seconds with the i7 8700K (difference of 22 minutes 49 seconds). So again a nice upgrade with SOFTWARE encoding.

I'm surprised with air cooling that according to CPUID HWMonitor, the max temp of the CPU was 77 degrees C (170F).. (my house AC is set to 72 degrees F).
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Old 22nd August 2020, 16:35   #46  |  Link
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Intel Quick Sync settings

Just replaced my outdated PC with i7 based processor system with on board Intel graphics. I installed BD Rebuilder and all helper apps. Did a BD to MP4 recode. It used to take a little over 3hrs to do the conversion on my old system. Much to my delight it only took an hour with the new system.

I also have Elby Clone BD. I installed it and during setup it recognized the Intel Quick Sync. I did the same conversion. Same source and output settings. The difference...it only took 12 minutes.

I much prefer BD Rebuilder because it is more flexible and has a batch mode. So, is there any way to use Intel Quick Sync? I noticed that when I was making the changes to the MPEG2 settings in ffdshow, the libavcodec setting was set but there was also an option for Intel Quick Sync.

So, my question is...are there setting changes I can make to better use the Quick Sync functionality?
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Old 29th August 2020, 21:15   #47  |  Link
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...I much prefer BD Rebuilder because it is more flexible and has a batch mode. So, is there any way to use Intel Quick Sync? I noticed that when I was making the changes to the MPEG2 settings in ffdshow, the libavcodec setting was set but there was also an option for Intel Quick Sync.

So, my question is...are there setting changes I can make to better use the Quick Sync functionality?
I prefer BD-Rebuilder too, even though other tools support QuickSync and NVENC/CUDA acceleration.

I don't know if there are any plans to add Intel QuickSync support.

I will say that with my i7-6700K, i7-8700K, and i9-10900K, QuickSync with other tools was quicker, the video quality suffered compared to using x264 and BD-RB, even with near identical bit rates. Using QS the video wasn't as sharp and as good of quality.

jdobbs has added NVIDIA NVENC encoding in the latest release.

While past Nvidia cards support NVENC, video quality is much improved with cards that have Turing chips (RTX20x0 series, GTX1660/1660ti, and GTX1650 Super.. note: non-super GTX1650 still has the old encoder). Using a GTX1660ti, with the latest BD-Rebuilder, my "alt movie only - MKV" encodes are way way faster (15-20 minutes) and about the same size and bitrate as if I used X264(software) and nearly identical video quality (I can't see a difference on my 4k TV).
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Old 29th August 2020, 22:48   #48  |  Link
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I prefer BD-Rebuilder too, even though other tools support QuickSync and NVENC/CUDA acceleration.

I don't know if there are any plans to add Intel QuickSync support.

I will say that with my i7-6700K, i7-8700K, and i9-10900K, QuickSync with other tools was quicker, the video quality suffered compared to using x264 and BD-RB, even with near identical bit rates. Using QS the video wasn't as sharp and as good of quality.

jdobbs has added NVIDIA NVENC encoding in the latest release.

While past Nvidia cards support NVENC, video quality is much improved with cards that have Turing chips (RTX20x0 series, GTX1660/1660ti, and GTX1650 Super.. note: non-super GTX1650 still has the old encoder). Using a GTX1660ti, with the latest BD-Rebuilder, my "alt movie only - MKV" encodes are way way faster (15-20 minutes) and about the same size and bitrate as if I used X264(software) and nearly identical video quality (I can't see a difference on my 4k TV).
I also think the "other" software produces a slightly softer image. I tried setting up Frim as the decoder/encoder with the settings to use hardware but still only get about 50 fps converting a BD25 to MP4 using BDRB.

I am converting all of my BD25 disks to MP4 for use with a NAS. I have about 400 to do. I have found that, using the "other" software, I can read the source BD directly from the BD player, process the re-encode on my laptop using Quick Sync, and write the MP4 directly to my NAS. It takes about 20 minutes. I get an average of 190 fps with maximum as high as 400 fps. With as many as I am doing, the time savings are a trade off for the slightly less sharp video.

I still prefer BDRB and will still use it if I need more control and a higher quality image.
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Old 30th August 2020, 23:41   #49  |  Link
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I..... With as many as I am doing, the time savings are a trade off for the slightly less sharp video.

I still prefer BDRB and will still use it if I need more control and a higher quality image.
Understood. Unfortunately, based on adding NVENC, it's likely going to take jdobbs to implement changes for QS support.

Until/unless QuickSync support is added... If you can afford to add a Gtx1650 Super card to your system, you can use NVENC with the latest BD-Rebuilder, and have the speed and better quality than QuickSync with the other tools. (For me, BD-Rebuilder with NVENC is even better quality than using NVENC with the other tools.)

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Old 27th March 2021, 19:38   #50  |  Link
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For me, BD-Rebuilder with NVENC is even better quality than using NVENC with the other tools.)
Is new BD-Rebuilder with NVENC better (or at least the same) quality than old BD-Rebuilder + X264 (software)? I have MSI GTX 1070 Ti TITANIUM (Pascal GPU) on one PC and MSI GTX 1650 GAMING X (TU117 GPU) on the other one. Thanx.
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Old 28th March 2021, 01:17   #51  |  Link
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Is new BD-Rebuilder with NVENC better (or at least the same) quality than old BD-Rebuilder + X264 (software)? I have MSI GTX 1070 Ti TITANIUM (Pascal GPU) on one PC and MSI GTX 1650 GAMING X (TU117 GPU) on the other one. Thanx.
The encoder in the GTX1650 (non super) is based on Volta (basically Pascal). So the performance of the 1070ti and 1650 will be about the same.

I can't say how much difference there is since I had a GTX970 and now have a GTX1660ti (Turing encoder).

With Turning encoder in my GTX1660ti, yes, when watching videos (on my two Sony XBR 4K Tvs anyway) done with BD-Rebuilder using NVENC or x264/x265 that to my eyes,
is video that looks identical. At least I can't tell any difference.

Give it a try for yourself and see.
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The encoder in the GTX1650 (non super) is based on Volta (basically Pascal).
Thank you. But isn't MSI GTX 1650 GAMING X based on a Turing GPU? The specs say so.


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Thank you. But isn't MSI GTX 1650 GAMING X based on a Turing GPU? The specs say so.

Yes, but the encoder in the 1650 is not Turing.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14270...w-feat-zotac/2
Has info on the TU117 chip.

EDIT: just wanted to be clear... While the GTX1650 does Not use the Turing encoder, The GTX1650 SUPER does have the Turing Encoder.

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Yes, but the encoder in the 1650 is not Turin.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14270...w-feat-zotac/2
Has info on the TU117 chip.
Understood. Thank you.
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Old 6th May 2021, 05:27   #55  |  Link
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Needed to upgrade the GTX970 in my son's PC since he is doing more gaming. I figured I'd see what I could get, then give him my GTX1660ti. I wasn't too confident, but saw an RTX3060 come up in a Newegg Shuffle on Saturday, so I took a chance... and I got picked, so purchased EVGA RTX 3060 XC GAMING 12G-P5-3657-KR which I have just popped into my PC... (nothing else changed from Post 45 of this thread)...

Pulled out Mission Impossible 5 again (what I've used to test in the past.. )

[23:53:13] Source: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5_00800
[00:17:29] JOB: MISSION_IMPOSSIBLE_5 finished.

If my math is right, that is 24 minutes, and 16 seconds... so 6 minutes and 25 seconds faster than Post 45. Although... post 45 was SOFTWARE encoding, not NVENC!!
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I'm actually pretty impressed that software encoding speed could come that close to NVENC.
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just an update on Video Card differences with NVENC

4k AVENGERS_ENDGAME_00004
CQM=19
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV Container, HEVC, NO_RESIZE, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: NVENCC
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640


RTX3060 EVGA RTX 3060 XC GAMING 12G-P5-3657-KR
1 hours 15 minutes 24 seconds

GTX1660ti EVGA GTX 1660ti XC Ultra Gaminig 06G-P4-1267-KR
1 hours 20 minutes 26 seconds

So not a real big difference there, although I didn't expect much.


Doing a regular Bluray

Source: THE_FIRST_PURGE_UPB75_00800
- Input BD size: 24.93 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:37:25.422]
- Windows Version: 6.2 [9200]
- MOVIE-ONLY/ALTERNATE OUTPUT mode enabled
- Mode: MKV Container, 1920x1080, Intact Audio
- Quality: High Quality (Default)
- Decoding/Frame serving: DGDecNV
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640

rtx 3060 EVGA RTX 3060 XC GAMING 12G-P5-3657-KR
19 minutes 54 seconds

gtx 1660ti EVGA GTX 1660ti XC Ultra Gaminig 06G-P4-1267-KR
15 minutes 53 seconds

This surprises me. While its only a few minutes, I didn't expect the 1660ti to have the advantage. As far as I know, there weren't any settings change in BD-RB. And while I had a browser window open this time, I'm not sure that would have that much effect.
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Old 7th May 2021, 16:26   #58  |  Link
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I'm actually pretty impressed that software encoding speed could come that close to NVENC.
Looks like that is just for x264...

When set BD RB for x264/x265 encoding (rather than NVENC) and run that same 4K Avengers Endgame disc, I started it 14 minute ago and its estimate still says 4hrs 34 min remaining.
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