yuv 8bit & 10bit = banding vs RGB csp

codexredestemp · 14th March 2016, 19:40

It's impossible to avoid banding using color space YUV even with x264 10bit without adding noise through video editor or similar things?
I did many tests with different settings like tune film, grain, input-range, forcing high bitrates as 20000, changing chroma with 8bit and 10bit. I put an image to show what I get:

played through MPC-HC.

with RGB csp its ok. YUV = banding. I play the video with different players like MPC-HC, VLC, Kmplayer...
It is more noticeable with images with big circular gradients (ringing issue)

I have doing some animations. It is ok to encode with csp RGB?

vivan · 15th March 2016, 21:04

Try uisng madVR with MPC-HC, default EVR (and VLC and other crap) really suck at color conversions.

foxyshadis · 24th March 2016, 22:52

They all look banded, even the original 8-bit RGB. You literally can't get rid of banding in 8-bit without dithering (or adding noise), YUV just makes it a little worse.

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codexredestemp Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 3	yuv 8bit & 10bit = banding vs RGB csp It's impossible to avoid banding using color space YUV even with x264 10bit without adding noise through video editor or similar things? I did many tests with different settings like tune film, grain, input-range, forcing high bitrates as 20000, changing chroma with 8bit and 10bit. I put an image to show what I get: played through MPC-HC. with RGB csp its ok. YUV = banding. I play the video with different players like MPC-HC, VLC, Kmplayer... It is more noticeable with images with big circular gradients (ringing issue) I have doing some animations. It is ok to encode with csp RGB? Last edited by codexredestemp; 14th March 2016 at 19:42.

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15th March 2016, 21:04	#2 \| Link
vivan /人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Russia Posts: 643	Try uisng madVR with MPC-HC, default EVR (and VLC and other crap) really suck at color conversions.

24th March 2016, 22:52	#3 \| Link
foxyshadis Angel of Night Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tangled in the silks Posts: 9,559	They all look banded, even the original 8-bit RGB. You literally can't get rid of banding in 8-bit without dithering (or adding noise), YUV just makes it a little worse.