Redfox (AnyDVD et all) appears to be gone

[kurkosdr]

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

And yes CloneBD still can't beat MakeMKV for handling Dolby Vision titles...

Can you elaborate? Haven't edited any UHD BDs yet, so I am curious.

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by kurkosdr

Can you elaborate? Haven't edited any UHD BDs yet, so I am curious.

It's a very specific use case. I want Dolby Vision in MKV container and CloneBD can't handle that. MakeMKV does. As do other tools. But unfortunately CloneBD could never get it right. As it's a VERY big use case for me, it prevented my continued use of CloneBD as my go to backup solution.

[coopervid]

Originally Posted by kurkosdr

What other projects? AFAIK, all their paid software is CloneDVD and CloneBD and they haven't announced any upcoming products.

Nothing related to discs. Completely other areas where their guys are now concentrate on.

[kurkosdr]

Originally Posted by coopervid

Nothing related to discs. Completely other areas where their guys are now concentrate on.

Like what areas?

[coopervid]

Originally Posted by kurkosdr

Like what areas?

I don't know and I don't care. Why do you?

[Revolutrix]

It's nice that the Redfox forum is still represented. I was always helped a lot there. Anydvd still runs flawlessly, with new database from here.

[kurkosdr]

Originally Posted by Revolutrix

It's nice that the Redfox forum is still represented. I was always helped a lot there. Anydvd still runs flawlessly, with new database from here.

Huh? How is it represented? It closed down. Do you mean that some people from RedFox forums happen to be here?

[kurkosdr]

Originally Posted by coopervid

I don't know and I don't care. Why do you?

Then how do you know they are working mainly on other projects which are more profitable?

[coopervid]

Originally Posted by kurkosdr

Then how do you know they are working mainly on other projects which are more profitable?

The former Redfox admin told me.

[kitahoshi]

Originally Posted by WSC4

Thank you for the speedy reply.

That is a real shame that those images files were never saved to a backup drive.

There are 34 PNG images there. If you are thinking about recreating the guide, it will be an enormous task and quite time consuming.

In the meantime, at the RedFox thread, the Pioneer tools on the Pioneer webpage directed me to the firmware update for my Pioneer. I have never updated the firmware on this drive and will give it a go to see if it corrects BD-R DL discs. I'll keep you posted.

Hi, I happened to find this post and recall that exact guide you are referencing.

I found it useful at the time and saved it with an html page capture tool. It has the full thread and all images. I'm not sure how to upload it here, so instead here are images of the file.

[cartman0208]

I think I never had to scroll so much for a single post

[spotter]

I'm a little surprised no one has leaked a lifetime key for anydvd, its not like they are coming back and the key would be banned in future releases . Their java rewriting was 2nd to none and would be useful for older discs.

It be cute if one could combine anydvd with makemkv to 1) generate the VUK (and have it inserted into a place AnyDVD can use) 2) created a protected ISO (i.e. encrypted with the VUK, but not bus encryption). and then use anydvd to decrypt the iso (I've done this many times, so I know it works for blurays, doesn't work for DVDs). I even had situations where i was the first user to ever decrypt the bluray with anydvd, so when I first went to decrypt the ISO it failed (as need disc in drive to calculate VUK), but if I inserted the disc into the drive, it calculated the VUK, cached it, and then was able to decrypt with the ISO (and you might ask, why go iso if I could decrypt directly from optical image, 1. it was faster 2. sometimes optical images were scratched and the way I got a good image was by using ddrescue on multiple copies of the optical disc).

[SamuriHL]

Not realistic unfortunately. Yes, they could generate a VUK for blu-ray back when they were active because they constantly updated the AACS 1.0 host cert and device/processing key required to do so. As of now, there is no known public host cert for AACS 1.0 MKB v82, so AnyDVD has passed its usefulness from that perspective. AnyDVD doesn't use KeyDB for blu-ray.

None of that was true for UHD as they relied on KeyDB entries in the end. Before that they had other methods for getting keys but it was not something they generated themselves as they didn't have an AACS 2.x device/processing key of their own. We'll leave it at that.

[spotter]

I mean, didn't anydvd work offline to calculate VUKs and store them locally (as in the example I gave of it not being able to decrypt an iso I created until I loaded the disc and had it scan it). If that's the case, it had to have the ability to store VUKs locally, even if not a normal keydb mechanism. Unless I'm wrong and it wasn't offline?

I know for bd+ it required it to be online, but I thought for regular blu-ray aacs it didn't.

It they have a keydb equivalent locally, one would just have to reverse engineer it. I wonder how it would behave with optical disks if it already had the VUK. Presumably even in those cases not having a current mkb key, it should still be able to decrypt the disc (should vs could, even if it should be able to, doesn't mean it can, because it might have not seen the point to rely on a VUK database only code path when it knows it can always calculate the VUK)

[SamuriHL]

No, it wasn't offline. It uploaded the data to their server which then returned the key. They weren't stupid enough to expose their device keys and host certs to end users. (EDIT to clarify: They did download and cache all known blu-ray keys with each new version of AnyDVD, which is why you probably think it worked "offline")

The key database AnyDVD used was already reverse engineered. But who cares? Why would you need/want it? It's highly outdated at this point. Anything that's in it can already be generated with other tools. E.G. there's a perfectly capable public device key for MKB v82. Use LibreDrive to bypass bus encryption and off you go, generating your own KeyDB entries.

I really don't understand the insistence on sticking with something that is completely and totally dead. Yes, it USED to handle screen pass better than anything else, but that's also because they actively updated it to handle new versions. No one's updating that anymore.

AnyDVD is NOT a viable program going forward.

[spotter]

As a simple example. For PBS BRs, they really weren't java BRs, even they used a screenpass like protection. The menus were basically just HDMV, what they did with java (and they used GBs of junk data to do it), was simply setup a handful of GPRs that contained the correct playlist for each episode. What this meant, after you ran it through anydvd, you could actually delete the junk java data as the jar would never be used as anydvd totally bypassed it. I haven't seen anyone else do that.

I think you think I'm talking about "new" BRs and using AnyDVD for them. I'm talking about using it for historical BRs that it did better on than existing programs today (as well as for BRs that don't have screenpass like protections).

[RetsimLegin]

Unless anyone can convince me otherwise (or unless I fall into a "hole" - which I haven't yet) I would suggest AnyDVD HD users simply switch over to XReveal plus an up to date KEYDB.cfg (for the free version; Pro [paid] users don't need this).

https://www.xreveal.com/
http://fvonline-db.bplaced.net/

[spotter]

the main thing that prevents me from moving to xreveal is that I don't believe I can't test its screenpass support at all (i.e. with anydvd I was able to test that).

Without screenpass support (and the resulting java support). I don't see much value in it. Non java blurays are easy to handle with makemkv (perhaps with a run through bdedit to redo PSR20 usage). Java BluRays with region coding one can either ignore (as long as your player is set to the correct region or can change it easily enough), or many times don't even define the region in the java code itself, but in properties file that are easy to edit with any text editor and therefore make region free). The primary thing I value then for my personal use is handling playlist obfuscation and unless I'm wrong, that's not something free users can ever test for themselves? (with that said, later today I'll experiment for myself and see).

[SeeMoreDigital]

@spotter,

Are you backing up and playing the entire disc? Personally I only back-up the main movie which can easily be re-muxed into a blu-ray compatible .iso file using TSmuxer GUI. And if there's anything interesting to see on the rest of the disc I'll back it up separately as an .mkv file...

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by spotter

the main thing that prevents me from moving to xreveal is that I don't believe I can't test its screenpass support at all (i.e. with anydvd I was able to test that).

Without screenpass support (and the resulting java support). I don't see much value in it. Non java blurays are easy to handle with makemkv (perhaps with a run through bdedit to redo PSR20 usage). Java BluRays with region coding one can either ignore (as long as your player is set to the correct region or can change it easily enough), or many times don't even define the region in the java code itself, but in properties file that are easy to edit with any text editor and therefore make region free). The primary thing I value then for my personal use is handling playlist obfuscation and unless I'm wrong, that's not something free users can ever test for themselves? (with that said, later today I'll experiment for myself and see).

It's right there in the change log for the latest version:

Improved ScreenPass support

My recommendation since Redfox went away has been to use XReveal. The author is very good and very responsive if you have issues. It's worth supporting his work as it's a very reasonable cost.